Lake Sammamish Hatch

Discussion in 'Fly Fishing Forum' started by richard f lange, Mar 13, 2014.

  1. richard f lange

    richard f lange Member

    Joined:
    Nov 9, 2002
    Messages:
    34
    Likes Received:
    1
    Location:
    Sammamish, WA, USA.
    At the north end of Lake Sam, by the pilings and lily pads, there was a very big hatch coming off, and several fishing rising. I could not get close enough to the water to find out what bugs were coming off, but the fish were really on them. I'm thinking Skwala Stones. Anybody been out and can verify or let me know whats coming off. I'll be out in my boat this weekend, and will find out then, but I'd like to go out prepared....
     
  2. Matt Baerwalde

    Matt Baerwalde ...

    Joined:
    Mar 3, 2005
    Messages:
    1,015
    Likes Received:
    443
    Very unlikely to be skwalas in the lake since they're a flowing water critter. Much more likely to be midges. As I've been commuting past LS the past few mornings, I've been super bummed not to finally be out there in my canoe trying to catch one of those cutts. Always wanted to; never have.
     
    Jeff Dodd likes this.
  3. Stonefish

    Stonefish Triploid, Humpy & Seaplane Hater

    Joined:
    Feb 26, 2003
    Messages:
    4,160
    Likes Received:
    1,916
    Location:
    Pipers Creek
    Likely chironomids.
    One of my co-workers regularly gear fishes Sammamish for cutthroat out of his boat. He has been catching fish all winter long.
    Almost all of his success has come by fishing near birds that are hammering adult chironomid on the surface.
    SF
     
    yellowlab and Jeff Dodd like this.
  4. ryfly

    ryfly Addicted to flyfishing

    Joined:
    Dec 13, 2004
    Messages:
    442
    Likes Received:
    101
    Location:
    Snoqualmie, WA
    My bet is they are callibaettis. Skwalas are only present on free flowing freestone or tailwater streams
     
    Taxon likes this.
  5. Lugan

    Lugan Joe Streamer

    Joined:
    Sep 5, 2005
    Messages:
    3,242
    Likes Received:
    2,122
    Location:
    Beautiful View, WA
    Might be too early for callibaetis, though it's not out of the question. My guess is big chironomids.
     
  6. John Wallace

    John Wallace Active Member

    Joined:
    Jun 8, 2008
    Messages:
    677
    Likes Received:
    103
    Location:
    Bellevue,Wa.
    I think that the finger lings are eating the chironomids and the cutt's are eating the finger lings!
     
  7. triploidjunkie

    triploidjunkie Active Member

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 2010
    Messages:
    3,355
    Likes Received:
    2,800
    Location:
    Grand Coulee, WA
    I agree with Lugan.
     
  8. mat1226

    mat1226 Active Member

    Joined:
    Feb 26, 2003
    Messages:
    434
    Likes Received:
    46
    Location:
    Bellingham, WA.

    I have been out on Lake Samish a couple of times this year, that's one m and not three. Saw something coming off I couldn't identify, tent like wings straight back on the body, but in the last 48 hours swallows have showed up and we saw them this morning dive bombing the water at first light. The swallows were looking down and feasting but no fish were looking up. At first I thought it was fish, then saw it was the swallows. They were smacking the surface pretty hard. We were having a glass of wine on the dock last night and there were definitely chironomids flying around. Probably the same thing at Samammish.
     
  9. Teenage Entomologist

    Teenage Entomologist Gotta love the pteronarcys.

    Joined:
    Aug 12, 2013
    Messages:
    789
    Likes Received:
    452
    Location:
    Ashland, OR
    Gotta love them chironomids!
    ( but sometimes they can be a pain :))
     
  10. Kyle Smith

    Kyle Smith DBA BozoKlown406

    Joined:
    Aug 7, 2005
    Messages:
    2,837
    Likes Received:
    972
    Location:
    Bozeman, MT
    Why do we call them chironomids on lakes and midges on rivers? Just an observation from years of reading WFF. As I recall surface action on lowland Westside lakes gets pretty awesome around now if you know where to find it.
     
    dfl likes this.
  11. Old Man

    Old Man Just an Old Man

    Joined:
    Jan 1, 2002
    Messages:
    24,662
    Likes Received:
    3,501
    Location:
    Dillon, Mt
    Isn't a Chironomid just a form of a midge. I think midge is easier to spell than the other long word
     
    Kyle Smith likes this.
  12. Richard Olmstead

    Richard Olmstead BigDog

    Joined:
    Jun 28, 2005
    Messages:
    2,846
    Likes Received:
    1,361
    Location:
    Seattle, WA
    That's an interesting question; As a fisherman who fished moving water exclusively until a few years ago, I've wondered about it myself. Here's my take. On lakes, chironomids are a major food source and you have way more diversity in terms of size, so anglers benefit much more from imitating them, and it is much easier to imitate them. However, on rivers, they tend to be tiny and much less often are they the primary food source for trout. "Midge" has come to be almost a synonym for something tiny, rather than a taxonomic category. So, fishermen who primarily fish moving water tend not to focus on them as much, since you can often (but not always) get by just fine by ignoring them, and many folks don't like to tie on size 20 and smaller hooks. So, the less precise term, 'midge' has become the term of choice on moving water.

    D
     
  13. Matt Baerwalde

    Matt Baerwalde ...

    Joined:
    Mar 3, 2005
    Messages:
    1,015
    Likes Received:
    443
    Huh. I always took it as colloquial but precise for chironomid. Now I know that others don't think that way. I get tired of saying (and typing) chironomid. And I'm not a fan of "chronnies" either.
     
  14. Preston

    Preston Active Member

    Joined:
    Mar 12, 2004
    Messages:
    2,831
    Likes Received:
    936
    Location:
    .
    Outside of actual scientific taxonomy, it's impossible to give any rational reason why people choose to use one form of nomenclature over another. Chironomidae is the name of a family of Diptera (two-winged flies; were you aware that most common aquatic insects, mayflies, stoneflies, caddis, have four?), included in this family is the genus Chironomus and many others. Nearly all of these genera are frequently referred to as "chironomids". Alternatively, the common name for these genera and species (as well as any other small insect) is "midge".

    Common names are usually quite imprecise, often leading to confusion, and the use of chironomid as an alternative to midge doesn't really help to clarify anything.
     
    Irafly likes this.
  15. Matt Baerwalde

    Matt Baerwalde ...

    Joined:
    Mar 3, 2005
    Messages:
    1,015
    Likes Received:
    443
    Rational reason? Midge is one syllable, chironomid is four. Efficiency!