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Discussion in 'Steelhead' started by francis james hunnycut, May 18, 2013.

  1. Salmo_g

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    That's what we're here for, to offer up wonderful advice and have a little entertainment. And in my case, working on my social skills.

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  2. francis james hunnycut

    francis james hunnycut Redneck Hippie

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    well it"s tough to get too pissed when you were just calling a spade a spade. And I have it on good authority that you are actually a really decent chap. I really do appreciate the help.
     
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    bennysbuddy the sultan of swing

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    Theres more than one way to skin a cat.. you will eventually find a way that works for you & hopefully have a good time doing it..
     
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    Salmo_g Active Member

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    Never trust authority!

    Sorta' like I used to go by "don't trust anyone over 30" 35 and more years ago.

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    I am considering taking up Steelheading so I'm browsing the old posts and articles. This is my favorite one by far, almost spit out my coffee.
    Thanks Salmo!
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    Hey Chris,

    No problem! Really, we are here to help. But seriously, why the hell would you want to take up steelheading? You're in Missoula, seriously proximate to much of the best trout fishing this side of Alaska and Kamchatka. Before you take up steelheading, consider a few things. Like the fact that everybody else and his brother has already taken up steelheading before you got here. So you better like crowds. And while they were taking up steelheading, the steelhead populations have collapsed into the shitter. There are 10 steelheaders here for every steelhead, and that is on the uncrowded days! Consequently, without a good guide, mentor, or unbelievable shithouse luck, your odds of catching a steelhead - without using the nymphing technique - are somewhere south of zero. And should you nymph for steelhead, you will be castigated as much less an angler than a real steelheader. It's a cultural attribute, and nothing can or will be done about it.

    Let me just add that if I weren't a steelheader of several decades experience, and therefore semi-OK with going fishing knowing the stream I am about to fish is statistically devoid of steelhead, there is no way in hell I would give up the certainty of quality trout fishing, including challenging trout fishing, to assume and risk the vicissitude and verisimilitude of steelhead fly fishing today.

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    Salmo_g is wrong, don't listen to him..... It's more like 5 steelhead fisherman to every steelhead. Or worse...


     
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    I think we all learned something.
     

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    francis james hunnycut Redneck Hippie

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    Why is that anyway, that nymphing is more effective? That seems odd to me. I was swinging by myself today and a couple old friends that were gear fishing cruised by in a sled. I said, "what the hell" and hopped in. These guys wedre side drifting eggs, so I rigged up a thingamabob and a nymph. I don't really enjoy fishing that way very much, but dammit, I've been swingin my ass off, got several different tip sections made up for me, and I've only had one take in probably 20 hours of swinging. I have heard that nymphing can produce more fish, but I just couldn't think of why that is. At any rate, I didn't get any takes nymphing either. But in my defense, the barometric pressure had dropped and the moon phase combined with the upriver wind that created a cross convergence directly affected the fish's hypothalimus, and well, we all know what it's like when that happens...

    On the subject of leader, I threw a t14 on, and was hangin up near the end of my swing. Switched to a 12, much better. So I am definately getting a feel for the different sink rates. Tell ya what, that stuff is mucho heavier than those poly coated jobbies. I'm actually diggin the extra weight, it really loads the tip nicely...again, 'preciate the advice. Stay safe out there...
     
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  10. DanielOcean

    DanielOcean Steelhead Virgin

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    Salmo,

    Stop utilizing the thesaurus so much and quit using such big words. Your giving me a headache. LOL
     
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    _WW_ Fishes with Wolves

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    Not a bad trip actually. Welcome to Washington Steelhead fishing.

    Probably weren't holding your mouth right...:)
     
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    underachiever !

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    Probably a number of reasons. Nymphing is more likely to but the fly right in the fishes face where it requires less movement for the fish to grab it. Personally, the kind of water I nymph is small little patches where if a fish is there it's damn sure gonna see the offering and probably up close and more than once. Make a couple runs through the slot and move on to the next one where I can show some new fish my fly. On the swing, the water is bigger and the fish might get 2 good looks at the offering and it could take a lot longer to cover that water.
     
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    FJH,

    Elaborating on Underachiever's post, the reason for nymphing's greater effectiveness (IMO) is twofold. First, there are two types of steelhead, players and non-players. What's a player you ask? A player is an active steelhead that is ready and willing to move to the first properly presented bait, lure, or fly that it sees, including a swung fly. A player will hit either a swung or nymphed fly. Second, swinging and nymphing are completely different types of presentations, and both are proper. However, the swing is proper only for players, whereas the nymph is proper for both players and non-players. A non-player, for whatever reason (it could be environmental, or it could be personal to that fish) isn't going to move either for any or for most baits, lures, flies. A nymph that is weighted and fished as neutral buoyancy is the most natural of all possible presentations, and therefore the most irresistable. And if it also happens to drift in the face of a non-player, it will eat it anyway. Therefore skilled nymphing (and equivalent drift fishing, free drifting) is more effective than any other presentation in that it can get steelhead that have no intention of grabbing a bait, lure, or fly to do so anyway. It since hooking non-players is so uncouth with regard to the traditions of steelheading, which descend from the traditions of Atlantic salmon fishing, it is relegated to the low position in angling's social hierarchy. There's a bit more to it, but that should do for now.

    Daniel,

    What's a thesaurus?

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    DanielOcean Steelhead Virgin

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    Well that backfired on me.
     
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    _WW_ Fishes with Wolves

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    Wait! Wait! I know that one!
    It's some kind of dinosaur! A plant eater I think...or maybe it was aquatic?
    I guess I really don't know...:)