NFR LOL government in a nutshell

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  1. Jim Ficklin

    Jim Ficklin Genuine Montana Fossil

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    Amen! And the firing should include their boss. If you can't do your job, pack your personal effects and leave; you're done just like any other employee who can't/doesn't do their job. The very first paychecks cut should have been theirs. We have self-perceived "royalty" in government, with different benefits, insurance, retirement, etc.; get rid of those too. Implement the same programs & options that they have deemed appropriate for the folks they "represent."
     
  2. Jamie Wilson

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    We need to shut the PACs down and go with term limits
    It's a no brainer
     
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    Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt.
    — ABRAHAM LINCOLN.
     
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    Chris Johnson Member: Native Fish Society

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    The debt limit is about paying our bills not about the ability to spend more. A better equivalency would be a man who said " wow I'm way in debt, I'm not going to pay my mortgage to save some money". In a sort period of time he would be out on his ass, which is where we will be in the economic world if we default on our debt.
     
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    Chris Johnson Member: Native Fish Society

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    Take heed of the last sentence, truer words were never spoken.
     
  6. Nick Clayton

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    Ya I guess I get a little bitter seeing all these cute videos and memes all over the internet and people bickering about D vs. R. Meanwhile, I sit at home. I'm not sure who has it worse, me or my wife. She has to get up at 3:30 every morning to head in to work not knowing when she'll be compensated. She has to work doubly hard to make up for everyone who got furloughed- The needs of the nuclear vessels our jobs support do NOT go away because some people in Washington want to measure their dicks. Please, come tell the people in Kitsap county all about why this problem exists. I'm sure it will make many people sleep better at night.

    I'm just very frustrated. I've worked non stop since I was 15. To not be getting up every morning helping to support my family is a worse feeling than I could ever describe. To watch my wife get up and go to work while I sit here like a barnacle is torture. There are fish to be caught just down the street from me, but I can't seem to drag my ass down there.

    To be completely honest, I'm not even 100% up on the reasons that have put us where we are. Bottom line is I just can't muster up the energy to research it a whole lot. I've tried, but I just don't care. All I see here is 2 monkeys and a football. Unfortunately, in this case, I'm the football.

    Nick's fly shop is pretty much open for business at this point. Everything must go. I won't be undersold.
     
  7. Chris Johnson

    Chris Johnson Member: Native Fish Society

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    Nick, hang in there man, we're all pullin for ya. Everybody needs to call their reps and tell them to pass a continuing resolution with no strings attached and end this bullshit now.
     
  8. Lugan

    Lugan Joe Streamer

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    A curious thing about Congress: They have something like 10-15% approval ratings as a whole, and I doubt it's been above 50% in decades. Yet every election voters send 80-90% of incumbents back to Congress. I guess to "throw the bums out" we should add "except my guy, who is okay".

    I doubt 2014 will be different. I think the main reason we'll send most of them back for another term is because somewhere deep down inside we realize the individuals there might not be the problem -- instead it's the system of lobbyist-driven legislation ruled by special interests that our representatives need to court in order to get re-elected.

    In other words, the people might or might not be bad, but the system is rotten and undemocratic. But we can't throw the system out, so we're stuck as voters with what we've got until it gets bad enough that we revolt and demand a constitutional amendment that gets money out of elections and compels our elected representatives to act in the best interests of the nation rather than their election funders.
     
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    _WW_ Fishes with Wolves

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    Here is a fact. There are fewer than 550 people between the house and congress. These are the people that set policy and make the laws of our nation. Sit down today, and find out which congressmen are yours and send them a note stating that you know who they are, when they are up for re-election and that you will not be voting for them under any circumstances. Inform them they have failed at their job and you are firing them.

    There are hundreds of millions of people in this country. Finding 550 replacements will be easy. In fact we could probably find that many right here on this forum. :)

    The only reason that works is because 'we the people' allow it to.
     
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    freestoneangler Not to be confused with Freestone

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    Seems like the offer on the table is more than reasonable. Simply extend the 1 year deferment, given to select size companies, to all Americans and require that all elected officials get the same exact health care package options, and we move forward.

    Sorry about your situation Nick and hope things get resolved soon. If Boeing ran their budgets like the state and federal government does, I may be in your situation...nothing is a sure thing if poor decisions are made.
     
  11. Lugan

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    WW, I don't think that will work because we'd just be sending new people into the same rotten system. The system needs to change, and specifically I mean getting big money out of elections.
     
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    freestoneangler Not to be confused with Freestone

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    I think there are many folks who would be great as elected leaders. Particularly those who have not made politics their life but who have actually worked within the free market system. Benjamin Carson is very intriguing to me but, I am afraid, he and others like him are too smart to get in the mud and wrestle with hogs... hogs have a great time and you just get muddy. It seems more and more like our pool from which we are getting our elected officials are amongst those who have the least impressive and increasingly sleazy record (i.e. Mr. Wiener).
     
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    freestoneangler Not to be confused with Freestone

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    So basically you are OK with telling the majority of Americans to piss off, we won't support the peoples will? It's this exact hard line stance that has resulted in the situation at hand.
     
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    Freestone, every poll I have seen wants them to do exactly what Chris wrote.
     
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    Not following...
     
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