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freestoneangler

Not to be confused with Freestone
#76
-1. I, for one, would love to see a more sane democratic party come back. I don't play for either established team, but tend to lean a little right of center. But I think the balance is pretty important. It just sucks that the left side is being overrun with crazy as of late.

...that mirror thing at work again ;)
 
#78
-1. I, for one, would love to see a more sane democratic party come back. I don't play for either established team, but tend to lean a little right of center. But I think the balance is pretty important. It just sucks that the left side is being overrun with crazy as of late.

...that mirror thing at work again ;)
I'm not a fan of either team (D or R). But the brand of crazy that is becoming the loudest voice on the right is one that rubs me in the worst of ways.
 

Lugan

Joe Streamer
#79
Too bad this thread got testy. It was a pretty civil discussion for a while.

I'm surprised a moderator hasn't jumped in. Chris, Jerry and Ed must be off the grid together floating the Smith or MF Salmon.
 
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Too bad this thread got testy. It was a pretty civil discussion for a while.

I'm surprised a moderator hasn't jumped in. Chris, Jerry and Ed must be off the grid together floating the Smith or MF Salmon.
Actually, I think it's going well. We're disagreeing without flinging crap at each other. I don't think civil disagreement is a bad thing. I've seen threads go way, way worse than this. In the end, we all want this shutdown to be done and over with. We all want to see those govt employees out of work to get back to putting food on the table. We disagree on who should get health care and how, but it doesn't seem to be getting uncivil.
 

Flyborg

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#81
Too bad this thread got testy. It was a pretty civil discussion for a while.

I'm surprised a moderator hasn't jumped in. Chris, Jerry and Ed must be off the grid together floating the Smith or MF Salmon.
Not really testy. When I see snide remarks, though, I see cowardice, and then I feel obligated to demonstrate the superiority of overt contempt versus underhanded language.
 
#83
It shocks me to see the absence of historical perspective when conservatives complain about Democratic politics. On almost any policy issue where a historical record can be tracked back 50 years, the current administrations stance would be considered middle-of-the-road Republicanism in the 60s or 70s. It is probably just ignorance of the past, but it surely gives credence to those who say it is racism, since the rhetoric seems to have been elevated since Obama took office.

The ACA just happens to be the focus the right has settled upon. As Paul Krugman (2008 Nobel Prize in Economics) said in his column this week: "Republicans aren't worried that Obamacare will fail, they are worried that it will succeed," a far worse outcome in their minds.

I personally don't understand where (or why) our society went off the track of pursuing social equity and justice for all, and onto the "I got mine" track. Everyone seems to have their view of what's wrong with America; this is how I see it.

D
 
#84
It shocks me to see the absence of historical perspective when conservatives complain about Democratic politics. On almost any policy issue where a historical record can be tracked back 50 years, the current administrations stance would be considered middle-of-the-road Republicanism in the 60s or 70s. It is probably just ignorance of the past, but it surely gives credence to those who say it is racism, since the rhetoric seems to have been elevated since Obama took office.

The ACA just happens to be the focus the right has settled upon. As Paul Krugman (2008 Nobel Prize in Economics) said in his column this week: "Republicans aren't worried that Obamacare will fail, they are worried that it will succeed," a far worse outcome in their minds.

I personally don't understand where (or why) our society went off the track of pursuing social equity and justice for all, and onto the "I got mine" track. Everyone seems to have their view of what's wrong with America; this is how I see it.

D
Lots of truth here. My biggest issue with Obama is that he is governing pretty damn close to the way Bush did. Yet, those on the "other side" oppose everything he supports.

The ACA, or any other government health care program succeeding would be disastrous for the Republican party. They know this, and they want to stop it from even being attempted. Having it fail would only give them the "we told you so" credibility.
 
#86
I consider myself right of center - But to Say that Obama Care is middle of the road policy and then quote Paul Krugman is pretty funny to me Richard.
Obama Care did not get one R vote, not even the most enlighten Republicans thought this bill was good for the country. Nancy, Harry and our President used their control of Congress and the Executive branch to push this into law. I often wonder how a scholar like Paul Krugman would react if a Republican Congress and President pushed some kind of social change with out one D vote. I think many Americans right and left of center are very concerned about more entitlements, more debt and more government control over the people - seeing that SS and Medicare are in such rough shape has to be cause of concern.

Its funny if Obama Care fails - no government official is going to say well it failed, we republicans told you so - so lets just dismantle this law. Now here is the scary part ...................ready, they will try and fix it with more laws, that won't work. So they will try and fix it with more laws, then a few more and more after that. Then in about 20 years our health care laws will look like our tax laws. Sounds like fun.
 

plaegreid

Saved by the buoyancy of citrus
#88
We could always, y'know, do a hard reset on the whole 'government' system... I'm for it if we miss the debt ceiling deadline.
 

Chris Bellows

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#90
-1. I, for one, would love to see a more sane democratic party come back. I don't play for either established team, but tend to lean a little right of center. But I think the balance is pretty important. It just sucks that the left side is being overrun with crazy as of late.

...that mirror thing at work again ;)
 
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