Jeff, I use that fly a lot for tight lipped fish. Can't take credit for it though. I got it originally from Clarence and he got from a guy that gave a talk at the Club on Searuns. It started life as a beach fishing searun bug. However it got here, it's a great one. I'll have to give it a go later this week. It's suppose to be clear for a couple days. I'm taking my little plastic boat so I might even stare at a bobber for a bit..............but don't tell Ira.