Long Lining W/ A Spey Rod

Discussion in 'Spey Clave' started by HauntedByWaters, Dec 15, 2008.

  1. doublespey

    doublespey Steelhead-a-holic

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    Now THERE's an idea!!!! Get about 15-20' of Airflo's sinktip 20g/ft, short leader, and a floating fly. Find a traveling lane and just lay that line down below you.

    Wanna change locations? Just lift with the rod and "walk" it to a new lie.

    Voila - Plunking with a Fly Rod! ;)
     
  2. speyghillie

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    Hi Guys,
    There are some lines with a floating tip built in, fast sink with floating tip, all are for trout fishing and a great way of fishing small flies just of the weed bed in the winter months, or you could use a full sunk line with a fly with Polystyrene eyes,, some used are called a boobies.:rofl:
    Works great in the lakes , in Norway alot of the Salmon fishing is done by wading above the rocks where salmon lie, and letting out line and jigging a big tube or waddington either side of the rocks, just where the water has cut around, and made likely lies for Salmon sitting in the slip stream of the rocks.
    Gordo.
     
  3. HauntedByWaters

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    Yes!!!!! This is exactly what the Newfie friend of mine described. He said it is the only ticket for a hookup a lot of the time.

    What lines/setup would people typically use for this?

    And to think, even those snootier European spey fishers are willing to do this. What does that make some of us around these parts? ;)
     
  4. speyghillie

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    Jason

    And to think, even those snootier European spey fishers are willing to do this. What does that make some of us around these parts? .

    there is no such thing as a snootier European spey fisher, because there is no such thing as a Spey fisher in Europe.:rofl:
    Double-handed fly rod if you please.. or Salmon rod if you like.... now thats snooty.:)

    Now what about dapping with the Double-hander ?
    Gordo.
     
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    Ah that is right. The funny thing is I think the word spey is so popular here because it conjures up snooty European images! I know when I go fishing without at least one tweed article on my person it just isn't the same! j/k :rofl:

    You got me curious. What is it?
     
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    Hey Jason,
    Nothing wrong with a bit of tweed and if its the proper stuff its waterproof all day long,and you can tell on which beat of the river a Ghillie works by the tweed suit he wears, old Clan thing... history... that sort of thing.:rofl:

    Dapping is like high stick fishing but you use blown braid so the only thing touching the water is the fly, like fishing a fly on a big parachute with the wind blowing the sail.
    Fished mainly on lakes and from a boat, (it works really good from a float tube or pontoon ) is is a way of dancing a big dry fly on any water surface, and when you see the fish leave the water to take the fly in mid air it is just the best or fun, there is other ways to fish it but big dries touching down and lifting off like a real fly on the water with nothing else touching the water, no fly line no leader.
    Just the best of fun in the summer time, and over the years the records show most of the big trout where taken by Dapping on most of the Lochs/lakes in Scotland.
    Get yourself some tweed, you knw you want to.. or better still get yourself a Kilt.:rofl:
    Gordon.
     
  7. SpeySpaz

    SpeySpaz still an authority on nothing

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    nope, not centerpinning, just fishing a fairly short downstream arc with a sinking shooting head that will hover in the strike zone on the hangdown. DH rods of course are great for this.
    Double density compensated heads have two sink rates, each of them density compensated, so when they're hanging downstream the head stays very straight from running line to leaderbutt, fishes really well and when cast, swings nice and slow with little droop. I'm just getting going on that this season, lots of fun.

    I do my dapping with a short length of line out of the tip and a long leader, usually with a big stimulator or other wind resistant bug. When there's megastones or even Goldens in the air, or Oktober Kaddis, the technique can be deadly along brushy banks. The wind picks up the fly and lays it down, and it looks a lot like an egg-laying flight.

    the Boobie still water thing works good with a type 1 fullsinker and a foam bodied caddis or muddler type floating fly, fished over shallower weedbeds in lakes. Takes patience, but does work here in PNW. The moving water deal sounds a lot like a corkie and yarn... but I do use techniques similar to those described when fishing bouldery water that isn't amenable to a swung fly. Like in Norway, a scando head setup is the way to go for this technique because you get under the surface currents with the sinking head, plus you can fish it in close or cast for distance equally well. Outstanding line control, which leads to fly control.
    My buddy whipped my ass last year with a scando setup, which is why I'm trying it out this winter. Maybe the 2:1 hookup ratio will be in my favor for a change!
     
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    Hi guys,
    here's John giving a bit detail on dapping,

    http://www.fishandfly.co.uk/jbedit0699.html ,

    while he uses a dapping rod, if you don't have one the double-hander will do just fine, nothing touches the water except the fly, and can be fished at quite a distance from the boat , float tube, or pontoon, even works great on the small rivers, walk and wade.
    Dates back to 1800's .
    Gordon.

    In norway with fishing up stream of the rocks and boulders, and fishing in the pockets of water, a lot of the guys just pay out line and dont really cast, more of a kinda jiggin thing, lots of times with a full floating line and a brass tube or waddington.
    Gordon.
     
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    THAT is REALLY interesting.

    Well I hate to say it but the PNW equivalent to tweed would most likely be waterproof breathables like Gore-Tex. We wear that kind of stuff to bed sometimes. Anyway, I got loads of that and it matches the climate just about perfect except maybe in July.

    If you get yourself a Gore-tex hat or jacket, go to a river that has just about zero salmon left, fish through a rain storm, and don't catch a thing, you may be able to fool yourself into thinking you are in the PNW, fishing an S River. Than if you go on this website and talk about how you need a "tug" more than anything you will be just about immigrated. :rofl:

    Thanks for the information by the way. Sounds like there is a whole universe of European techniques to explore.
     
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    Hey Jason,
    Fished the rivers all around you if you are in Bellingham, even got plastered on a night out there :beer2: little mexican place i think.
    You have a real Jedi master Speycaster living right in Bellingham, and one of the best fly line designers in the world to boot.
    He even did a speycasting demo this year watched by the Duke, the Queens Hubby.
    Gordon.
     
  11. floatinghat

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    Jason,

    In the land of "snootie" they wear their plus fours and under their breathables. The licenses have ethics printed on the reverse side, and the public beats I fished had markers that indicate how close to get to the rod in front of you as you work your way thru a run. To the PNW steelheader some stuff was just strange, ie we started fishing after 9 am, took a "manditory" hour for a nice lunch, and were off the water at 6pm.

    What a great place (Scotland) I can not wait to return.
     
  12. Mark Bové

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    Jason it seems you are over thinking this whole fishing thing. Find some fish and catch them. The long lining thing is only going to cost you more money, I am sure you have the tips, flies, and maybe even a single hander and shot to get yourself a few winters this year. Enjoy the water more and the interweb less.
    Peace,
    Mark
    I will be chasing chrome from friday till god knows when if you find some fish I will show you how to catch them.
     
  13. HauntedByWaters

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    I agree for the most part. I catch plenty of steel to keep me happy most seasons.

    However, it is a fact that this technique is used a lot for salmon and steelhead, that is the reason I am asking.

    It allows you to cover lies that get passed over by swingers because they simply can't be fished that way. This makes it a good technique to me because around my area, every really good piece of water is fished 5 times by 10:00AM on weekends.

    If you would like to come to my area, and "show" me how to catch fish, be my guest. It is a lot different game though than any east side fishery. But seriously, if you are around, PM me. I can put you on some fishy water and we'll see what happens. :thumb:
     
  14. SpeySpaz

    SpeySpaz still an authority on nothing

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    sounds like good, out of the box strategic fishing thought Jason.
    we're on parallel paths with this one, let me know how it works out
     
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    Good on You Gordon,
    I have been reading this with some interest.
    I downstream streamer fish when I get the chance and the water is right.
    I used a type of Dapping for Kings In Alaska but that is another thread.
    I do not know it this will help.
    There is trick which a couple of lads that stop by the shop (with nice pictures in the their phones) explained that they were using a 60 to 80 degree down stream cast with aerial mend to get the fly to land parallel with the water.
    This mend they tell me get the fly down fast then they will reach the rod tip across the current.
    And swim the fly back and forth.
    Their explanation for such fishing is that they like to fish the real choppy rapids.
    They feel that more fish hide in these places than one would think.
    The water under the rapids in lower gradient rivers usually does not move as fast as one would think
    I think they may have something by their pictures.
    I know a lot gear guys who will fish such water with very little weight so their yarn will hover.
    I would opt for a 4/5 of 4 full sinking Scando shooting head , polyleader and mono running Line.
    As for turning over the humming birds from hell just step up a couple of weights in size and cut the tip down to some where between .066 to .089
    and you will turn over your humming birds from hell and/or Mac truck which every you prefer.
    ::hmmm: