Long Rods

Discussion in 'Spey Clave' started by o mykiss, Nov 18, 2011.

  1. Nooksack Mac

    Nooksack Mac Active Member

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    During two weeks on the Clearwater River recently, my 15' 7/8/9 Meiser Highlander was everything I'd hoped it would be. Easy repeat casts in the 95-100 foot range, even though I'm not a rip snortin' distance caster any more. Covering near end water around 50 feet out, the rod cast itself, using either an XLT 7/8 or an Airflo Traditional 8/9 longbelly.

    For winter on the Skagit River, my favorite rod is my CND Salmo Salar 15 1/2 feet 9/10/11, with an Orvis WF10 long belly, cut and looped for sinking tips. Yes, I cast standard flies to 2/0 to distance. (Lead eyed creaturezoids are reserved for shorter rods and skagit lines.) This rod is noticeably easier to manage than my 16-foot Alltmor.
     
  2. FT

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    I love fishing with long-belly lines (belly lengths of 80'-100') on long rods of 15'-18'. I have and fish with rods that best toss 700 gr long-bellies (like the GrandSpey 7/8, SA XLT 8, etc) that are rated as 7-9 wts, rods that best toss 800 gr long-bellies, rods that best toss 900 gr long-bellies, and one 18' beastie that works best with a 1050-1100 gr long-belly. I also have 13' rods that work best with mid-belly lines of 500 grs, and 570 grs.

    My 15'-18' rods are in no particular order from Loomis, Meiser, and T&T.

    The biggest reason to use a long rod rated for a 9/10 or 10/11 long-belly is to match the rod with the larger flies used in winter fishing. It takes a long-belly line with sufficient mass and tip diameter to properly cast and turn over 1/0 and 2/0 flies; hence the big line weights. If you are not going to fish unweighted flies larger than #2, you can easily do so with an 8/9 long-belly line (800 gr) on an 8/9 15'-17' rod.
     
  3. Terry Bare

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    Hey guys I think there is something missing in this point. Talking about long rod or what ever you cast how do you like the way it fishes. In other words are you catching fish.. the casting is cool and all that but it seems like people have forgotten what this is all about. Are people just getting to wrapped up in the fact that the casting is cool.. I know I like the fact that my body doesnt hurt at the end of a day of fishing. Guys fish where ever you do it and feel good about the fact that you are presenting your fly to some fish that just needs to eat it.. enjoy this sport ..
     
  4. Wadecalvin

    Wadecalvin Skagitmiester

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    Its all about whatever you want it to be about.:)
     
  5. speyforsteel

    speyforsteel Degenerate Caster

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    Just as you could say"you can do things with a 13' you can't with a 17' "
    I say you can do things with a 17' you can't with a 13'
    The rivers I normaly fish, a long rod in capable hands is very useful.
    I can sleep in and still get virgin water.
    I also like the fish fighting ability some long have.
     
  6. inland

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    Terry,

    I am not sure what you are trying to say. Guys fishing long rods are more concerned about casting than fishing? From my perspective it couldn't be further from the truth. I am an angler first and a caster second. Like most I have to enjoy the casting to enjoy the fishing. There is nothing I find more enjoyable then casting 15'+ rods with mid to long head lines. But that is me. I don't find them the least bit taxing for a day. Or a month. Including throwing lines in excess of 1100 grains. But I don't try to cast to the moon keeping it under 40 yards.

    Certainly there are many situations and conditions where these longer rods are overkill. Or guys just don't like them. Plenty of choices that we can all use to make our day more fun.
     
  7. John Wallace

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    For most my fishing and the rods I have owned, 12'6" is the biggest I have had. I have been thinking of a 14' 9wt but don't know how much I would fish it. But it would be nice to have it or one bigger. Just in case I hit one of the bigger rivers.
     
  8. SpeySpaz

    SpeySpaz still an authority on nothing

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    You can fish big water with a short rod, but fishing small water with a big rod is a pain.
    I have DH rods from 9' to 15' and they all have their application.

    The doggie season is coming, I'm getting out the 9140 brownie and the 10/11 Stinger soon. good times.
     
  9. Paul Huffman

    Paul Huffman Driven by irrational exuberance.

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  10. SSPey

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    I've owned a bunch of 15's and cast many more. For years now I've been happy fishing a Loomis 15' 8/9 and Scott LS2 1610. Both of these rods will take a good bend on a typical fish, but remember that the fight is in the fish - not in the rod. If a fish wants to peel line into the backing or do cartwheels, it'll do that regardless of the rod on the other end.

    I used to fish long rods a lot more than I currently do. They are great fun, but offer little practical advantage on most of my local waters, so I now reserve them for two situations: (1) fishing over 100' consistently on broad summer flows, and (2) when I find myself on a broad winter river that fishes well with unweighted flies and a Type III tip ... on that tips point, I'd rather strip less and do single speys than skagit cast all day, and some of the broader WA rivers let me do that (most of my local winter rivers in Oregon are too small, slotty deep places that fish best with T-tips and weighted flies).

    Both the Loomis and Scott mentioned above are progressive actions with fairly light but capable tip sections. They won't win distance contests, but they fish well. They flex deeper than the T&Ts (I used to own the 1509), but not as deep flexing into the butt as the CND Solstice or Meiser Highlanders or Burkheimer 9149. All great rods depending on your preference.

    In a budget rod, I'm really impressed with the TFO 15' 8/9 based on the Meiser taper.
     
  11. Steelie Mike

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    I have been fishing a Vision Cult 9147 over the last few months and love this rod. It obviously is not the 15' plus rod you are looking for, but they will soon have a 10152 out soon that could work for you. I fished both a Guideline MMD(60') and a CND GPS(75') on it and both work great. I was even able to put polyleaders on the MMD without any delay in turnover also. Seriously a great rod.
     
  12. yuhina

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    One more opinion... I think Mike has a very good point about the modern long rod... it's amazing how the weight and rod sensitivities changes in those modern long rods...

    I have a old Scott G 1610 for several years. it is a beast!, and it only likes heavy lines... heavy feel in hands too. In general, this Scott G is slow recovery and dull in feel...I only use it when I felt like "do something different" than my 13 footers. But recently, I bought a Sage Z-Axis 1016. same 16 footer, but has a tremendous feels in hand, you feel the rod load much much better thus it is so easy to time this rod... I experimentally run some lighter lines in this rods and it just keep taking it with good control...either long line or short shooting head. I am definitely amazed by this rod. Noted, I am relative new to this long line game. But I am truly enjoy fishing it... I credit this to the modern graphite technology. Last week, I brought the rod to a gathering event, both old timers are also amazed by how light and responsive this rod it. no one believe this is a 16 footer. I definitely won't hesitate to recommend those new graphites... Mark
     
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    Terry,

    I love the way my long rods, including my 18'er fish. And yes, I catch my share of fish on all of them. And as my friend Inland mentioned, just because I'm using a long rod, it doesn't mean I'm casting over 100' all day long. I, like very other long rod fisher I know, usually are casting 75-90' with them when fishing; however, I don't have to strip any line to fish those distances with the long rod and a long-belly line. I simply make a single-spey, double-spey, or snake-roll and toss the line back out to up to 90'-100' or less and I'm fishing again. No fuss, no muss and my fly is back fishing again without any time taken for stripping in line. And because I'm not stripping line, I'm actually exerting less energy in a day's fishing with the long rods and long-belly lines.

    I also like my 13' rods and on the smaller rivers (not Samish River small, which is really a creek), like SF Nooksack small, because they better fit the river. However, even with my 13'ers I'm fishing mid-belly (65' belly) lines, which on a 13' rod are really long-belly lines because they fit the 4.5-5x longer than the rod formula many have hit on for long-belly lines. And just like with my 15'-18' rods and long-belly lines, the 13'ers with a mid-belly allow me to simply form a "D" Loop and toss the fly back out to fishing distance without stripping any line at all.
     
  14. circlespey

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    This is a great thread. I love to see all these people throwing longer rods, it makes me want to bring more of mine out of mothballs. My first rod was a 15 foot Scott ARC and I used that rod exclusively for 3-4 years. Back then I fished windcutters and I still prefer those on the 15 foot rods. The only one I ever bring out these days is a Scott LS2 15 foot for 9 wt, which I haven't thrown in almost two years but has been butter with a windcutter 9-10-11 and heavy stuff.

    I fished that 15 foot rod even on small rivers or places with no backcast. Those rods are powerful enough to overcome a lot of different challenges.

    I remember when a windcutter line was "way too short" and now somehow in these skagit days people might even view it as a long belly. I have tried a range of long belly lines (delta long, rio grand, etc.) but my stroke just doesn't suit that, and I always end up back on the windcutter.
     
  15. Terry Bare

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    Had some good beer sorry.. just think that if it works for you fish it..