Longer rods more tiring?

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  1. inland

    inland Active Member

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    And once again...'spey' rods don't kick your ass. Sub par casting skills do.

    Put in the time to practice to perfect your technique. Or get some help to correct the flaws and practice your way to painfree two handed casting and fishing.

    William
     
  2. KerryS

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    Perhaps with another 15 years of casting my sub par skills will be up to standard.

    In the mean time I will contend that a 16 foot rod weighing in at 14 or more ounces will tire you more then a 12' 6" rod weighing in at 6 ounces.
     
  3. inland

    inland Active Member

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    Kerry,

    Why? From holding an extra 8 ounces? Lock the butt cap into your belt. Choke up on the rod so it balances. Use BOTH hands to spread the weight while swinging. Otherwise if casting such a rod wears you out then, again, you are pushing it too hard.

    It's a good thing A. Grant isn't alive today. Boo hooing over 8 ounces when his Greenheart rods were measured in pounds. And he wasn't using shooting heads. Everytime he went out to cast it would be like us going and lifting weights. Build your strength and the physical weight of 1/2 to 3/4's pound becomes mute.

    Whether or not somebody LIKES to cast and fish a heavier outfit is a different story. Seems there are a million reasons why or why not. But one thing is for sure: its the same casting stroke for a 12' 5wt as it is for a 15' 10wt. Less grains for the 5wt will mask the pain the 10wt causes from poor form. Clean it up and both are a pleasure to cast all day long for as long as you want.

    William
     
  4. KerryS

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    William,

    Hold 6 ounces in your hand with you arm at your side and time how long it is before you really start to notice you are carrying the weight. do the same with 14. Tell me the time won't be the same. Also, there is the weight of a larger reel with the longer rod and the weight of the heavier line to consider. It all adds up. And I am not saying that a longer, heavier rod is going to make you wore out in a few casts but fish one all day and there will be a difference in how you feel. Sort of like walking on level ground verses walking on a slight incline. You use the same stride. Both are relatively easy but the slight incline takes a little more energy. Casting a longer slightly heavier rod will take more energy then a casting lighter shorter rod. It cannot be any other way.

    Who cares what Grant would think?
     
  5. speyghillie

    speyghillie speyghillie

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    Guy's been watching this thread, and wanted to mention that Alexander Grant was 5ft 7in and weighed 140lbs, not a big strong man, but he used a technique long forgotten, but very affective even today.
    What about if i said it was less tiring for him to cast a greenheart rod 100yrs ago than it would be to cast a modern rod today.
    Technnique, thats what it comes down to.:cool:
     
  6. inland

    inland Active Member

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    Kerry,

    Hold that 6 oz can to your side but pressed against your hip. Same with the 14 oz can. No wonder 24 oz. beer cans aren't nearly as popular as 12 oz. We modern humans would wear ourselves out with that extra 12 oz. just from lifting to drink.

    I do fish one all day, sun up to sun down. For up to 9 days straight. Casting to around 100' without having to strip more than a two pulls of line. With a heavy Perfect or one of my personal makes. Reel plus backing goes around a pound before flyline. No pain. No fatigue. Just satisfaction.

    Physically the rods are heavier...but to say it wears you out by the end of the day? Man better hit the gym.

    William
     
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    Ok William you can take off your cape and tights now. I didn’t mean to infer that casting a long rod all day would in anyway cause someone of your obvious physical superiority any appearance of corporeal effort. For me, a mere mortal, whose casting skills and physical conditioning aren’t up to the undertaking of casting a two handed rod I will relegate myself to fishing for cutthroat with a 5 weight single hander.
     
  8. doublespey

    doublespey Steelhead-a-holic

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    Jeez Kerry - now I've gotta get rid of that visual.
    :clown:
     
  9. inland

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    Kerry,

    Fishing big boy tackle does take more effort. Kinda my point, however, the extra effort for a day is negligable. If you are getting beat up fishing anything over 13' you might want to chase down some pink marabou slippers and a glass of warm milk.

    William
     
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    Red Shed "junkyard spey"

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    William, having had the opportunity to just SEE "one of my personal makes" no wonder you don't get tired. You're in "wonder land." All kidding aside fellows, if you haven't seen the reels that William turns out you have a TREAT in store.
     
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    Have a look at this Item number: 200026802777 on eBay!! It will tell you some more about Alexander Grant who used a similar rod.....but 20' long if my memory serves me well: he also held the British accepted record of some 65 or so yards of lift and cast...NO shooting. Rods then had "drop" rings/guides. Those rods weighed in at about 30ozs or more. The silk line was a continuos taper from front to back, and the Rio GrandSpey is an adaptation of that concept.
    Brian
    The post recommending HEAVY reels is right on the money. Old Perfects, big Bogdans etc rule with all Spey rods.
     
  13. speyforsteel

    speyforsteel Degenerate Caster

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    I've fished every day since last friday with my 16 foot Scott and 1 pound Mt.Rainer reel and feel great.
    If you are sore or tired from casting your technique is flawed ,simple as that.
     
  14. inland

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    Speyforsteel,

    Nah, can't be the case. You too must have super man tights. Did you borrow mine? That's the only way. No other possible explanations. ;)

    William
     
  15. gt

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    your fishing rod is in fact a lever. the longer the lever, the more force that can be applied. in the case of long spey rods, that force is directed at why'oh'u. splitting hairs is great for conversation but the bottom line is simply the longer the rod the more force that is being applied to you and therefore the more quickly you will tire during a daylong fishing adventure comprised of lots of casting.

    i have move from 15-16' rods down to 11.5-12' rods and can feel the difference at days end. distance?? i like to cast to where the steel is most likely to be hidin'. hint, that is not the other side of the river.