Losing access to Puget Sound beaches

Discussion in 'Saltwater' started by Chester Allen, Mar 29, 2009.

  1. Chester Allen

    Chester Allen Fishing addict and scribbler

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    Well, parking and walking in is a pretty tough option, as many of these parks have little or no parking outside of their boundaries -- and the walk in can be a very long one.

    I'm sure these factors won't stop the drug dealers, meth-brewers and vandals who are always attracted to open space that doesn't see daily patrols or much public use.

    I don't want to have to carry a Browning Hi-Power when I go to a state park -- albeit a closed one -- to fish.

    I also wonder where all the kids will go to be outdoors -- especially in this horrible economy -- if the parks close. I sure wouldn't drop my kid off at a locked, closed gate for the day.
     
  2. garyl

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    I think that you guys have missed the bigger picture. This is not about budgets. First it's plead poverty, then it's other excuses, but in the final analysis, it's turn the parks over to the tribes. They want the land back and our elected officials are only too happy to give it to them. We went through this several years back with the Old Man House State Park on Agate Passage. The State pleaded poverty ( but it only cost abot $5K per year to maintain but a "Friends of the Park' solution wasn't acceptable). Then they said it was surplus and Gary Locke paid off some political debts to the Suquamish Tribe and the Parks Commission ratified it. I was skeptical at first that the Suquamish would close it off to the public, but I have to say that they have done a pretty good job of maintaining the facilities and access. I think that you need to look at the bright side and say, the State has done a ****poor job of managing the resources and the parks and maybe it is time to turn it back to the Tribes. They have the money from casino revenue ( another political payback) to maintain the facilities ( albeit you have to put up some minor incoveniences like canoe journeys, etc). We spend trillions trying to fight tribalism around the world, but it is subsidized and encouraged at home. Just look at what the Quinaults have done with wild steelhead enhancement on the Queets while the State has screwed up the Hoh. It really doesn't matter who is in control, they all pay homage to the campaign contribution and the end result is that the Tribes will end up with our parklands. It could be worse, at least there is still access to the beach at Old Man House Park.

    Gary
     
  3. martyg

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    I tend to be in Edward Abbey's court - parks are for people - not people and their machines. As Abbey pointed out we can drastically increase the size of our parks if we eliminate vehicular traffic - that what was once a 10 minute drive where we are locked in our cars is now a pleasant hour long walk. I guess it depends on what you want from parks, and from your outdoor experience.
     
  4. Bob Triggs

    Bob Triggs Stop Killing Wild Steelhead!

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    I would rather see them reduce time in the parks, reduce staffing time etc, than completwely close the parks.

    Isnt it demoralizing enough that we are suffering reductions and losses to health care programs, counselling and supervision for at risk youth, preventive programs, child care and intervention, drug and alcohol programs etc?

    For some people the parks are all that they have for a safe place to spend a few hours or all day with the kids. Back when they charged the mandatory $5 fee the attendance in parks crashed. That is an aspect of the poor using the parks more than anyone else. And for some people- like lower income and the unemployed, single parents, the elderly and handicapped etc, the parks are all they have.
     
  5. Be Jofus G

    Be Jofus G Banned or Parked

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    Why the hell do they have to close the f-ing gates? How much does it cost to maintain a parking lot?
     
  6. Ken Hunter

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    This all or nothing approach serves to purposes.

    1. To scare the hell out of you so you will vote yes in November on an new tax plan.

    2. To make sure they don't have to change the way they run the business. Don't ask me to change. My part of this runs perfectly just the way it is.
     
  7. Ed Call

    Ed Call Mumbling Moderator Staff Member

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    I call for a recount...Bob Triggs for Governor. The closure of parks will really derail much of the time I spend with my family, we use most of the Kitsap area parks regularly and visit others from time to time.
     
  8. Chester Allen

    Chester Allen Fishing addict and scribbler

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    Bob Triggs is one nice, smart guy, and he ties great flies....
     
  9. DimeBrite

    DimeBrite MA-9 Beach Stalker

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    Whatever they "decide", we should continue to use our state and county parks. I'll hike around whatever barriers and signs they put up and fish like always. I think it's safe to assume that park rangers and patrol officers will also be budget cuts, so I'll add reporting crime to my fishing duties (cell phone). I'll also carry garbage bags and collect trash on my way out and transport it to the dump.
     
  10. SeaRun Fanatic

    SeaRun Fanatic Active Member

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    Screw all the BS and political posturing in this thread... Dime made the best, most productive post yet. Just go fishing and do the right thing, and leave the politics to other boards.
     
  11. Jim Speaker

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    I drove past Deep Lake State Park today on my way to the transfer station - there must have been 30 cars parked along the road near the gate. Just an observation, no real slant.

    I think the decisions re which parks to mothball should consider how this closed-gate access will impact usage. Case in point, Joemma Beach, nice little boat launch there and a long freakin' walk in if you want to just beach fish the cove area - I'd hate to lose that launch. Penrose would just simply be a long walk in from the gate to the fishy water. Tolmie would be a ridiculous walk in... plus ya need a step stool or milk crate to fish it effectively. Kopachuk, on the other hand, you already have to walk down to the water and the gate isn't all that much further up - so what's the big deal on that one? And there are others not so cut and dried... but I would just hope (naively of course) that there is some consideration of these usage factors when figuring out which ones to lock.

    I dunno - I'm just rambling. Sucks sucks and really sucks.
     
  12. Chester Allen

    Chester Allen Fishing addict and scribbler

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    Jim's thoughts are spot-on -- as usual.

    State parks offer boat ramps, campgrounds, etc.... -- stuff that isn't useful if everyone has to climb over a gate to get inside. And it is obnoxious to have to hop a gate to get access to public land.

    And what might we find at the end of a long walk? And this long walk may start well before we even hop the gate, as parking is hard to find outside many Puget Sound state parks.

    We may find vandalism, eroded trails, trash all over the place -- and maybe some tweaker cooking up a new batch of meth.

    This is the bottom line here: We are talking about $5 a year to keep these parks open. It is as simple -- and affordable -- as that. This is not about politics, although there is plenty to complain about there. This is about caring for and enjoying beautiful spots.
     
  13. Jim Speaker

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    If it's come to this... hell, I'll pay a fee. I complained before when there was a day use fee at the State Parks, but it is certainly preferable to closing them.
     
  14. dryflylarry

    dryflylarry "Chasing Riseforms"

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    Well, I sort of trespass on saltwater beaches... OCCASIONALLY. :D
     
  15. Jim Speaker

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    Instead of the $7 launch fee I dropped a $10 in the envelope. Wonder if that was a tip or what? Either way, I don't care, and I'm cool with taxation if it's paying for something related to my special interest group. Great thread Chester.