Discussion in 'Steelhead' started by Slate Run, Nov 29, 2013.
YUP! Wouldn't want to harm one before it made its way into a gill net.
I see the koolaid is working, and some marketing for pockets gettin full, nothing else.....
Interesting for sure.... Swing only trips on pre gill net mega bucks? Quinalt has it dialed they charge to CNR them, then they net them and get to sell them. That's a solid business model!
So... where do I sign up and anyone know what color yarnie I should tie?
Man. That. Sucks. Hope = Gone.
That just makes too much sense.
If you want to go, you might as well fish with a regular QIN guide, at least you'd be on fish and skip the "destination" markup.
Better yet, don't.
As a slight aside, the service mentioned by the OP appears to be be guiding the Snohomish as well. Probably a little "less guilty" Winter steelheading there. Maybe they'll do some Tokul creek walk-ins as well.
(no rage now...I jest, I jest!)
Snohomish Steelheading? Hoboy that is going to be off the hook!
what a fricking joke.
Native netting is bad for steelhead. Catch and release is good for steelhead. So, a Native guide that is supporting catch and release is bad for steelhead? OR
If every native netted steelhead, that would be bad. If every native caught and released steelhead, that would be good. So, one native guide promoting catch and release is bad.
Everybody has an opinion and perspective....It is human nature. I have pointed a finger way too many times in my life. What I find incredibly refreshing is the Quinault member's mindset to 'Bridge the gap'. I personally give major accolades for such an effort.
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FYI - We are not guiding the Snohomish....We are guiding the Snoqualmie.
Lol...sorry about that. All those S's confuse me. Clearly,being poorly informed never stopped me from sharing my opinion.
And, all my smart ass comments aside, I too applaud doing something. Never hurts to try, and doing what has been done before will pretty likely achieve the same results they always have.
The worst thing that could happen is a few swingers get bent rods and the market never takes off. Hardly any worse than the current status.
Small changes are not exciting, but my paleontology professor in college once told me something that I still believe to be true. He said that new ideas are not widely accepted because the champion of the new idea convinces the old guard to buy in. For the most part the new idea gets traction with the neophyte and the old guard who hold on to the old ideas, die off.
So maybe this sews the seeds with a 5 year old who will grow up and choose to gear up a drift boat for $450/day swinging flies instead of hauling in nets. You never know.
I do think it is interesting how the Quinault approach to fisheries isn't that different from WDFW but there seems to be a lot more resentment towards the tribe.
WDFW has also managed steelhead and salmon out of existence, by pumping out huge numbers of hatchery fish into almost every system that held wild steelhead in the state.
WDFW has not yet made the killing of wild steelhead by sport fishermen illegal.
true, WDFW doesn't allow the netting by commercial groups of wild steelhead, but there really isn't that much variation in management policies between the two.
I think the only real factor is that the quinault's own that river, it is theirs, and they are entitled to do whatever they want with it. As a taxpayer of Washington State (and of the United States) however, you own the Snoqualmie, the Skagit, the Skykomish, the Cowlitz, etc, and look at what you have done (by way of the WDFW and federal management) to those rivers. Who are you to judge the tribe???
I just hate everyone equally
Steve your a little off base here -
I think the only real factor is that the quinault's own that river, it is theirs, and they are entitled to do whatever they want with it. As a taxpayer of Washington State (and of the United States) however, you own the Snoqualmie, the Skagit, the Skykomish, the Cowlitz, etc, and look at what you have done (by way of the WDFW and federal management) to those rivers. Who are you to judge the tribe???[/quote]
The Snoqualmie, Skykomish (Snohomish system) and Skagit are managed by the state yes and by the co-managers (tribes) - they work in conjunction managing those systems and have done so since the 70's.
Why doesn't the state just pay the tribal netters market value or above for every wild fish that they let escape the net? That would give them their money, and protect the fish. I'm glad to see some of the Quinaults looking out for swinging some flies. I have fished around those guys, and hung out with a few of the guides at the watering holes, and they are good people, but there is a lot of bad policy going on over there. Anything goes is right, the majority of the guides out there will bonk anything and everything, anyway they can.
Just as I won't frequent the local casino I will not fish with a tribal guide. Show me a cultural change in the tribes philosophy of netting 5 days a week and allowing retention of multiple fish a day that are unclipped. They do not clip their hatchery fish so how do they know if they are truly hatchery fish. Good for this particular guide as he truly cares about the future or he has tapped into a gold mine of deep pocketed fly fisherman. Until the tribe shows us they give a shit I won't give a shit by adding to their economy, as much as I would like to fish on light pressured aggressive steelhead.