Managing Running Line

Discussion in 'Spey Clave' started by Sean Beauchamp, Jun 13, 2010.

  1. k2flyfisher

    k2flyfisher You're only so smart as what you choose to share.

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    30 or 25# amnesia here too, all year round. two big loops off the bottom hand pinky. not really sure if one loop is larger than the other, but it makes sense to have the bigger one shoot first. having that slight bit of extra friction from the loops coming off the water on the lower leg of the loop also seems to help keep the line from turning over too quickly on the shoot.
     
  2. golfman65

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    "I do it the other way around . The last loop I form is the largest . It will be the first loop going back out . That leaves plenty of energy to carry out the last (smaller) loop . If that makes any sense ."

    Same here...when you start getting the casting part down, line management is as important as anything else...I've found I can only cast as far as I can manage the line..

    The skag. is a strange river, quick current by your knee's but the gradient is flatter then just about any other river I fish...Timing and proper stroke seems much more important on her then other rivers I've fished where the current helps lot the rod easier...

    Was up on Sat. and to reach and fish the slot I was fishing took 20+ big strips...I found that when I got more then 6 strips in the first loop it was hard to pick that last one off the water...So I went 5-6, 8, and 8 or 9 up to my overhang...I've picked up the last loop at times and others I leave it floating as it goes out first..depends on current..I've tried pinching the loops as well but found it caused more birds nest then not...

    Nothing is ever going to work perfect all the time...I still get line up the guides here and there...

    Still just trouties so far...still hoping for a suicidal salmon...Gotta say, fishing T 14 all day is kind of a drag..(no pun intended)
     
  3. James Mello

    James Mello Inventor of the "closed eye conjecture"

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    Ditto on the hard mono. I have a mix of 50# slick shooter and some 30# Amnesia. Went to it the winter before and have never looked back.....
     
  4. golfman65

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    Interesting what your using J.M. I've been beating that around in my head as well...The 50lb to the head seems to throw a bit better but pulling off big loops with it versus the 30lb, the 30 flies better....How did you join the two together? Assuming it's a blood knot?
     
  5. constructeur

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    Tried two loops this weekend and it gets the thumbs up from me.
     
  6. Sean Beauchamp

    Sean Beauchamp Hot and Heavy at yer 6

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    didnt touch the spey this weekend, i decided to let WFF have the skykomish. jeez guys! instead i fished tiger musky and i dont regret it.
     
  7. speyday

    speyday Rod tubes in the overhead compartment

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    Okay, here's a question:

    my floating ridge line (which im thinking of ditching in favor of some 30# mono) has started corkscrewing around the handle as line shoots out. like a big loop will fly up from the water--and on its way out to the stripping guide, the belly part under the whole loop; both sides of the " U " will come up and wrap around the foregrip 3 or 4 times, and this momentary hold will of course, kill the line shot. Has anyone else experienced this?

    Im not really proficient at managing line, but ive been competent enough at it to use some loops-- mostly avoiding the huge tangles that happen when a big blob makes its way up. This one has me puzzled. Maybe the line is twisted a bit and this is how it shows up? I dunno.

    Thx.
     
  8. Sean Beauchamp

    Sean Beauchamp Hot and Heavy at yer 6

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    i had that problem, but that one i fixed. its how you are holding your running line when finishing the cast. cant really explain it via typing. next time you are about to let go and shoot line, look down and watch the dynamics of your hands/line/butt section. kinda like fishin a single hander and stepping on your line when you are trying to cast and wondering why it got under your feet.

    or, maybe you are twisting up the running line doing something funky and this is how it shows up
     
  9. Ed Call

    Ed Call Mumbling Moderator Staff Member

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    Someone showed me how to pin my line to the cork with my top hand then run my line over the outer diameter of the frame of my reel and into my fingers on the butt of the rod. So far I've not had a shooting line tangle over the reel since starting that method. Not sure if that makes sense in print but once shown to me it made perfect sense and was easy to try.
     
  10. g_smolt

    g_smolt Recreational User

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    Fewer than 6-7 pulls, I just grasp the line by 2 fingers of my upper hand, then run the line between my pinkie and ring finger on my lower hand and go around the reel frame a la mumbles.

    More than 6-7 pulls, I loop around my pinkie every 4-7 pulls, depending on water flow and depth (the Maytag factor, also known as the personal backeddy).

    Finally settled on Stroft Fluorescent 42lb mono for running line, happy for the moment.
     
  11. _WW_

    _WW_ Fishes with Wolves

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    Usually when that happens to me it's a sign that I'm over powering the cast...which I tend to do as I work my way down a run.
     
  12. younggun

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    Plain and simple, good running line makes for easy management. I have 2 running lines, Guidline for the summer and fall. and Miracle braid for the winter. The guideline floats, casts a mile, and makes for an enjoyable day on the water. The miracle braid is easy to grasp, doesn't coil in the coldest of cold, and shoots far for its properties. Most of the winters where i fish are caught within 60ft of the bank, and rivers that they swim in rarely get over 100ft wide. I hold loops that go from big to medium to small. I find if your fishing a skagit and lines is slipping, you're applying power at the wrong time, and you're usually waving your wand to fast. SFD!!! SLOW the F**K DOWN!!!. Let the skagit head, sinktip and fly dig, then just smooth forward stroke with a consistant increase in application of power as your move forward.

    The only other line i would use would be the new 50lb slickshooter, it casts far, and is fairly easy to grip, but it needs to be stretched every once in a while and i'm a lazy person.
     
  13. James Waggoner

    James Waggoner Active Member

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    For longer casts I like to incorporate a third loop in the mouth. This is also the largest loop because it's higher off the water and drags less. The timing of release is delayed as well which reduces tangle and increased distance because this keeps more of the line off the water. I use amnesia for a whole buch of cheap reasons but also because it's durable and shoots very well.

    For most fishing situations I just hold one and sometimes two loops with the middle finger bottom hand and hardly ever tangle.
     
  14. Ed Call

    Ed Call Mumbling Moderator Staff Member

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    I cannot recall who, but someone here told me that they put their running line in loops on the water surface upriver on their leg. Half the loop front, the other half back. I'm told when done properly it will be held lightly in place by the current and will still shoot mighty nice if you are having trouble managing the line in your hands.
     
  15. Ben Guss

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    Another option others havent mentioned is a stripping basket!