Methow Shutdown

Klickrolf

Active Member
#61
Funding this CR endorsement class and test should be a snap. Two things happened after the endorsement fee was proposed by upper CR anglers to WDFW. The Legislature raised the cost and applied it to the entire CR system and not just the upper river. So it's raised millions of dollars, and WDFW needs good ideas on how to spend it. At first they were going to spend it on whatever they wanted (the Legislature gave them that latitude, which was stupid.), but sportsmen raised enough of a ruckous that WDFW appointed an advisory committee to review and approve projects. If the committee likes it, maybe WDFW would actually invest in angler education.

Sg
Enforcement!! Ignorance of the law is not an excuse. All the money raised via the Columbia Endorsement should be used for enforcement!
The VAST majority of those killing wild fish know EXACTLY what they're doing. Stick them with a huge fine and lost licensing for a few years and the problem will go away. Serious consequences are a much better motivator than online training/education, etc.

Edit: PT beat me to it. The best solution demands the highest cost to the violator.
 
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#62
Enforcement!! Ignorance of the law is not an excuse. All the money raised via the Columbia Endorsement should be used for enforcement!
The VAST majority of those killing wild fish know EXACTLY what they're doing. Stick them with a huge fine and lost licensing for a few years and the problem will go away. Serious consequences are a much better motivator than online training/education, etc.
I'd like to see both
 

PT

Physhicist
#64
We didn't need another course for the saltwater angler who fish over ESA listed fish. Those runs are no less important. No handling of the fish, release in the water except on boats of a certain size.

Handling Rule: in Areas 5-13, it is illegal to bring

a wild SALMON or a species of SALMON aboard

a vessel if it is unlawful to retain those SALMON.

"Aboard a vessel" is defined as inside the gunwale.
 

golfman44

5-Time Puget Sound Steelhead Guide of the Year
#67
The last two trips out I've seen and spoken with a wdfw officer. Didn't get checked either time but they are out there
 

Alex MacDonald

that's His Lordship, to you.....
#68
A class for the license is a good idea! the volunteers who teach the hunter safety class are usually Master Hunters, who do it as part of their mandatory licensing component. I don't see why this can't be done here as well: create a "master fisher" license like the Master Hunter program, with perks and requirements. Why the hell not?
 

BDD

Active Member
#69
Alright well let me preface this by saying that I 100% support a class and I think its a great idea.

However...

American Canadian Fisheries is a company in Bellingham that for a little over $600k/yr buys roughly 90% of fish carcasses produced from wdfw hatcheries. Instead of putting these carcasses back into the river systems providing food, nutrients, etc for fish to live off of, they sell them to this company for cash. The company then turns it into different food (cat food, etc) and makes a few million off it.

The reason I bring this up is because even if we take an absurd estimate of 500 wild steelhead killed each year due to uneducated anglers, that number pales in comparison to the thousands that die in the rivers due to starvation and never even get a chance to hit the salt.

Think about it. I'll keep these #'s simple to illustrate my point

10k fish return. 9,000 of those carcasses are sold off and 1,000 are put back into the river to provide food. However, all of the smolts are released into the rivers. Thousands of these fish simply starve to death due to there not being enough food to support them all. If a run of 10,000 fish occurred naturally (btw im not just talking steelhead), a major part of their natural survival is dependent on the food produced from the parents dying and the carcasses decomposing in the rivers. Anadromus fish have relied on this food source for centuries. If you were to let these fish spawn and then remove 90% of their carcasses, how would their offspring survive? They wouldn't.

Its to the point that it literally does not matter how many fish return if the rivers simply cannot support the offspring due to this mismanagement.

Gary Loomis (I'm sure you've heard of G Loomis rods) wrote/was quoted in a great piece in a magazine I read over the summer explaining this absurd situation

TLDR: no point spending cash on stuff that only saves 50-100 fish or whatever the # may be when thousands starve to death simply due to mismanagement/lack of funding.

This is a topic that needs it own thread. If the general public knew to the extent that American Canadian is using a public resource to make a profit and robbing potential nutrient enhancement projects that would be beneficial for ESA listed fish, all the while being condoned by the state, there would be an outcry to such a travesty.

Regarding the main topic of this discussion, I have plenty opinions but I'll just keep them to myself at this time.
 

golfman44

5-Time Puget Sound Steelhead Guide of the Year
#70
This is a topic that needs it own thread. If the general public knew to the extent that American Canadian is using a public resource to make a profit and robbing potential nutrient enhancement projects that would be beneficial for ESA listed fish, all the while being condoned by the state, there would be an outcry to such a travesty.

Regarding the main topic of this discussion, I have plenty opinions but I'll just keep them to myself at this time.
The state justifies it by saying the 600+k cash the wdfw gets is used to fund habitat and stuff. But again, habitat is useless if fish starve to death anyways.

Although quite outdated, here's a bit more info: http://www.columbian.com/news/2011/jun/13/dead-salmon-spawn-lively-battle-conservationists-s/
 
#71
I would support a course for fishing for wild Steelhead and would support a Puget Sound Endorsement fund. But they would need to open a few/couple of PS rivers - Skagit, Nooksack and the Skykomish (just to name three). Anglers choosing to utilize this resource would get angling opportunity, Anglers pay a Feb, March, April fee - the department gets more funds to work with and we would take pressure off of the OP rivers.
I would support a Olympic Peninsula Endorsement fund with the same guidelines as well - the state could break this out into three Regions for CnR Wild Steelhead angling opportunity.

So my question to anglers fishing the Methow - Are you hoping for a strong run of hatchery fish, so they can fish longer or hoping for more native fish retuning - so they can't fish at all. This seems like a shity position to be in as an angler who fishes those systems
 
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Bob Rankin

Chasing fur and fish every second I get :)
#72
I have a soft spot in my heart for the Methow. That's were I learned to fly fish at the age of 8 by my grandpa how lived on the river.this was the first year I have fished there since I was a kid lots of old memory's we used to float it in tubes from gold creek to Pateros. Any way that's a good question Cris and I wish I had an answer. But am glad to see other people care as much as I do about the Met.
 
#73
I have a soft spot in my heart for the Methow. That's were I learned to fly fish at the age of 8 by my grandpa how lived on the river.this was the first year I have fished there since I was a kid lots of old memory's we used to float it in tubes from gold creek to Pateros. Any way that's a good question Cris and I wish I had an answer. But am glad to see other people care as much as I do about the Met.
Same for me. My grandparents are/were Twisp natives, and I cast my first fly rod, and caught my first fish on a fly in that river. My pilgrimage there every year is about one of the only things in my life I'm sentimental about.
 

Alex MacDonald

that's His Lordship, to you.....
#74
Back to the idea of a license class for a moment, perhaps it's time to get off the collective couch and give this a try. I may be just blowing smoke here, but I'd be interested in working to put together a study group to examine the idea in detail, then approach one of our state "representatives" in Oly about the thought. Any takers? Who should the group include? Thoughts, fellow river keepers?
 
#75
Back to the idea of a license class for a moment, perhaps it's time to get off the collective couch and give this a try. I may be just blowing smoke here, but I'd be interested in working to put together a study group to examine the idea in detail, then approach one of our state "representatives" in Oly about the thought. Any takers? Who should the group include? Thoughts, fellow river keepers?
Sign me up, Alex. Maybe setting up a FB group to continue the discussion and bounce ideas across each other would be a good way to go.