Methow Steelhead

Discussion in 'Steelhead' started by Caddis Skater, Oct 10, 2007.

  1. o mykiss

    o mykiss Active Member

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    Okay, I'll probably get flamed for this, but I can't for the life of me understand how anyone would post a positive, location-specific steelhead report on the internet any more. And by location-specific, I mean a report that specifically names the river you fished. (There are plenty of ways to post an entertaining report without naming the river - "one of the S rivers" or "an eastside steelhead river".) Naming a river within a day's drive of any major population density in a positive report about steelheading is a sure fire way to increase the pressure on that system. I used to underestimate the power of the internet in causing hordes of anglers to descend on the latest "hot spot", but I don't anymore - particularly when it comes to steelhead. People are just frickin' obsessed with steelhead, even when they've never caught one or have any reason to know why they should be obsessed. I frankly don't understand the phenomenon, but it's there, and it's part of the reality we have to deal with as steelhead anglers now. In my view, expecting fly anglers to post location-specific steelhead reports on the internet is asking too much in this day and age. I don't think I'm alone in saying that part of the allure of "flyfishing" is to go experience, if not solitude, at least some decent space between you and other people. Most flyfishers I know don't want to go have a "Minter Creek" experience fishing a place like the Methow. For those who come from the gearfishing tradition, where people seem to really enjoy a more "social" fishing experience, I could see how they might not understand that. But coming on the 'net and asking for a report on a fishery as small and "over-loved" as the Methow probably isn't going to elicit much of a response from experienced steelhead anglers. Because in their minds, putting up a report just increases the odds that the next time they go there they will be competing with X times as many anglers. Some folks may think that sucks, but no one ever became a good steelhead fly angler by asking people on the 'net when and where to fish. Those guys work for it, which sometimes means driving long distances and getting blanked. I know others feel differently, but I would not post a positive location-specific steelhead report out of respect for the types of anglers who do not need a positive report on the 'net to get motivated to head to the river.
     
  2. Jumbo

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    O mykiss said it best.
    why the hell would anybody post a fishing report on the goddamn internet?

    don't sh*t where you eat.
     
  3. Evan Burck

    Evan Burck Fudge Dragon

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    i see the internet as more of a place to discuss gear, techniques, general reports without giving away exact locations (at least too soon after the fact), and the age-old art of telling fishing stories and lies.
     
  4. Scott Behn

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    Just remember that steelheading and the waters we do it in is a sport on a double edge sword...On one end there's the seclusion and the secrecy, for alot of the runs can't support the pressure the masses will put on it. On the other side is the fact that the more anglers know about the plight of the runs the more their troubled journeys and environments come to light...

    and the more these issues come to light the better chance at getting things turned around...


    At least that is what I dream of!!!

    :beathead:
     
  5. Matt Paluch

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    The Yellowstone effect - if it's more than 100 feet from the road there won't be any people there. The Methow is somewhat different in the fact that every steelheader within 300 miles is already there fishing it. I've fished in places that were supposed to be hush hush right after a report on this site without seeing anyone else there the entire weekend day. Keeping everything to yourself is selfish and you should think twice before flaming a guy for asking. BTW I was on Lenore this morning with only 4 other fishermen within sight at the south end. Let's keep it nice between us fly fisher folk, at least the vast majority of us care about conserving what we have. Those who don't probably don't visit this site, and if they do, they know that one of us will give them a solid ribbing for anything they do wrong.
     
  6. TWD

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    I heard the Cowlitz produces steelhead twelve months out of the year. Its located below Mt Rainier and N or Portland .... I recommend the water east of I5. Sorry for hotspotting but maybe that will help offload some pressure from the Methow :)
     
  7. Daryle Holmstrom

    Daryle Holmstrom retiredfishak

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    Is it me or do these new to the site come up every year, quite entertaining.

    Daryle
     
  8. HauntedByWaters

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    OMG...OMG....OMG.....OMG.........:eek:

    You took the words out of my mouth and soul.

    So much of this is true to how I feel. Maybe that makes me an arsehole but so much of this rings true to me I want to vote for you.

    Please run for something so I can vote for you.

    If you think I am being sarcastic, I am absolutely not being sarcastic.

    I remember when I saw multiple anglers on every hole on the North Fork of the Nooksack in 22 degree weather, line freezing to rods on every cast, river looking like bad stew, all the hordes of my nightmares and not one fish I heard of caught that day.....

    All thanks to a 6 steelhead in one day report that spread through Bellingham like wildfire....

    And to top it all off......

    I KNOW KNOW KNOW the report was absolute bullsheet!

    I will not reveal how I know this, I will just say that some folks were "testing the system".

    Keep it real O Mykiss!!!! You are the reelest!
     
  9. FlyOrDie

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    Reports, shreports. We don't need no stinking reports!

    (But we like 'em anyway, don't we? I mean, jabbering about fishing helps kill time until we can actual fish, now doesn't it? So why not play along...)

    Regardless, the fact is, whether you get into chrome or not on your next trip east, west, north south, or wherever the hell you may go, each cast you make is one less cast toward catching your next steelhead.

    Period.
     
  10. ak_powder_monkey

    ak_powder_monkey Proud to Be Alaskan

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    It isn't ????









    :rofl: (ever been to the situk? :D )
     
  11. Joe Gallagher

    Joe Gallagher New Member

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    Just ignore most of these guys, go have fun and enjoy the day whether you catch anything or not.

    Good Luck
     
  12. junebug41

    junebug41 Junior Dave Monti fan

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    I absolutely agree. Sadly, we will always have frequent posters here who seem to scan every new thread and look for opportunities to criticize and talk down to their peers. It was actually a lot worse a few years ago.
     
  13. HauntedByWaters

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    Yep that is all they do is scan to criticize...........Right....


    I am more than willing to tell you exactly how I have caught steelhead on the Methow.

    I am willing to share tips on weather, clarity et cetera.

    Good holes no problem to share.

    I am more than willing to share almost all the information I know.

    In fact I would share that I caught fish and where and how in a PM.

    Just not in a thread titled "Methow Steelhead" where anybody can read it. Even non forum members whose fishing morals could be ANYTHING.

    Posting reports that litteraly the whole world can see is just CRAZY and anyone asking for that kind of info and expecting it is just plain nieve IMO.

    The Methow didn't open last year....remember that....we are talking about a sensative area here.

    However, there are steelhead in the Methow right now PERIOD and it is open.

    If you go fishing there you probably won't catch one.

    That is called "steelheading".


    Last year I saw over 50 boats float by me in one morning on the Skagit during steelhead season. I will never forget that day. It blew my mind. That kind of traffic is caused by these internet forums. Anyone who thinks otherwise, again, is NIEVE.
     
  14. oilslick

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    May the fishing gods smile apon you. :D
     
  15. Matt Paluch

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    I'm glad that you are willing to share info. How are people supposed to know who to IM without asking publicly?

    Steelhead traffic on the Skagit, or Methow, or Grand Ronde, or _____ <--insert river is not caused by posts on an internet forum. If you really think it is then you are the one who is naive. There have been articles on all these rivers in major nationwide magazines - not just fly fishing magazines. The rivers are not a secret, nor is any information about the rivers a secret.

    I'm getting pretty sick of the majority of regular posters ribbing a guy for innocent questions. If you don't want to give info JUST SHUT UP AND DON'T GIVE THE INFO!