I am just trying to explain and defend those posters that are getting labeled as asses. To make the point that they aren't just being "mean" or "rude" for no reason. I find it hard to believe that anyone who fly fishes is rotten to the core and just inherantly rude. Oh and I know all those rivers have been written up repeatedly, I read every fly fishing mag. like most of us. I know they aren't secrets, I have all the classic books like most of us. I still am telling you all that there is a HELL of a lot of correlation to these good fishing reports online mentioning specific rivers and the hordes. A report on this site will bring more people to the said river the next weekend than any magazine would. Try it for yourself sometime.