Midpriced Trout Rods: Loop Multi vs Scott A2 vs Winston Vapor etc.

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  1. stan

    stan Banned or Parked

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    You typically pay 50 cent or less on the dollar for a used xp or z axis? Want to back that up schill? A z axis is in the classififieds, it is about 65 to 70 cents on the dollar. You never see a z axis in the $2xx range, and barely ever see the xp in that range.
     
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    Second, xp's and z -axis arent routinely sold for 50 - 60 cents on the dollar. That people are regularly selling their z-axis for 50 to 60 cents on the dollar is just insane.
     
  3. Kent Lufkin

    Kent Lufkin Remember when you could remember everything?

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    Wow! "Schill?" Pretty hostile-sounding post Stan.

    OK, here are a couple XPs from eBay right now. Auction #220245232108 is for a 596-4 that's currently bid to $101. Auction #170228116731 is for a 586-4 that's currently at $51. Sure there's plenty of time left on both auctions for fools to bid them up. But both sold new in the $600 range, so there's still a lot of headroom left even to get to 50¢ on the original dollar. Plus, this is prime time for trout fishing. The same rods selling in November or December won't fetch nearly as much.

    Your tone aside though, you're right in that some newer or popular model Sage models won't depreciate as rapidly as others or as models from other makers. Making a blanket statement that implies 'all' used rods can be had for 50¢ on the dollar was inaccurate of me.

    While some used rods may fetch a higher percentage, not all do. So I'll stand by my statement as applying to a broader range of used rods than just the two models mentioned above.

    For the sake of discussion, let's say you're right and that one is able to buy a newish Z-Axis for 60¢ or 70¢ on the dollar. At $615 new for a 590-4, please tell me why saving $185 to $246 by buying one used wouldn't make doing so worthwhile?

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    You can find XP's and sometimes Z-Axis/Xi-2's/TCR's for 1/2 off original mfg. price. You might not right now for the next few months but that is because of timing, it's prime fishing time. Check prices in November through February, might have a better chance of finding those prices. (Remember it is the used rods that fetch these prices, not NIT rods, well maybe once in awhile.
     
  5. Jeremy Floyd

    Jeremy Floyd fly fishing my way through life

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    Stan, I gotta say that it bothers me to see you treat Mr Lufkin like that. He is a friendly and helpful guy around here that treats everyone with respect...

    (sorry Chris, I couldnt bite my tongue any longer)
     
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    Good call, SteelieD

    I bought this 8wt XP from this site for a friend... it cost me $200 + shipping 15.

    Not try to stump somebody here... Weather the statement is true or not... you know that if you are in this field long enough. And of couse, as Porter mentioned, "timing" is important factor because there are more demanding in some season than the others (There are lot's people buying light rods now for summer trout fishing). I would say I appreciate Kent's well thought and input.
     
  8. stan

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    No need to apologize for voicing your opinion. He stated you can regularly buy a z axis at %50 off or more. MY schill comment was just me getting caught up in another poster calling him a schill for sage in a another big post. The beginning of a ebay bid does not count.

    $525 for a 9 foot 5 weight z axis http://www.flyanglersonline.com/bb/showthread.php?t=21812
    Do a ebay search for z -axis on ONLY completed transactions and get back to us, how many are under $330?
     
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    Yuhina, way to go! Good deal!
    Was worried their for a second that you bought the unethical guides Sage and would be out a warranty! ("RJ")
     
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    Can anyone answer this question. Can the second owner send the warranty card in, even though they were not the original purchaser of the actual rod?
     
  11. Porter

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  12. Oggopoggo

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    If you're thinking of getting the Multi over the AEG Series 9ft 5wt, go AEG hands down. Anyone that has casted the Loop Grey Line 9ft 5wt knows that it was an unbelievable rod. I'm not completely positive on the retail price of the Loop Grey Line..somewhere between $650-$700 before the Opti Line replaced that series. The AEG is virtually the exact blank..identical with new components for $370.

    The action is similar to my XP 5wt but with a slightly stiffer taper in the butt for single hand underhand casting. I have the Greyline, Multi, Opti, and AEG in a 5wt. AEG and GLine anyday of the week over the other two.
     
  13. scottflycst

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    Dan,
    The short answer is yes. The rod companies know a rod may be sold more than once before the warranty card is sent in. The first person to send in the warranty card (or register on-line) is the "original purchaser" according to the rod manufacturer. As long as the rod was sold by the manufacturer at full wholesale price then the manufacturer was paid for the warranty. This is one of the reasons rod companies control who sells their product. They also need to excersise some control over the warranty work/process to help maintain a reasonable profit.

    If you are considering buying a rod from an individual (used) with warranty card attached. Ask the seller for the serial number and call the manufacturer to make sure the rod has not been registered already. A lightly used rod with clean warranty card can be a sweet deal, my last rod purchase sure was!
     
  14. Kent Lufkin

    Kent Lufkin Remember when you could remember everything?

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    Here's a follow up on the two XPs I mentioned above.

    The first, a 9 foot 6 inch 4 piece 5wt ended up selling for $331, about 58¢ on the dollar based on its original price (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...220245232108&_sacat=See-All-Categories&_fvi=1).

    The second, identical to the first except 8'6" long, sold for $406, about 65¢ on the dollar.

    As mentioned elsewhere, prices on eBay vary enormously, especially depending on the time of year. Buying used offers the opportunity to own excellent gear at an often substantial discount off its original price.

    K
     
  15. flybill

    flybill Purveyor of fine hackle, wine & cigars!

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    Well I'll have a better idea after I fish the Multi 6wt in MT for the next few weeks. I've also looked for a good deal on Ebay for a used XP after casting one a few months ago. I finally get why people like them so much!

    I decided to go a different route though and build a new 6wt on the Rainshadow RX-8+ blank that very similar to the XP. I've cast a built up one and it's sweet! It will be a while until I get it done, as I have a few other rods to finish up first.