4 years minus one day and counting until Bush cannot be president
Ha ha!. That's clever.Calvin1 said:Lifetime Achievement Award Candidates:
1. John Kerry
2. Bob Dole
3. Dick Gephardt (though never nominated)
4. Gerald Ford
I guess that means President Bush can run again in 2008 if he didn't really win in 2000! :thumb:clockwork said:id say the democrats' best chance was in 2000 when we won both the popular and electoral but were prevented by the court system from counting the rest of the votes.
Hey YT - as Flavor Flav once said "don't believe the hype." If you think the Demos are "so far left," you're being as snowed by the Karl Rove propaganda machine as apparently so many who voted for W this year have been. Rove and guys like Coho, Chadk, Cactus, Bugnuts and Bright Rivers like to frame the Demos as concerned only about ramming through gay marriage and women's unfettered right to a late term "partial birth abortions." Guess what, fellas, that's not what I'm focused on and it's not what the vast majority of Demos are focused on. I feel pretty confident that those issues were not even remotely on the minds of the vast majority of the 50 million people who voted for Kerry a few days ago, and anyone suggests that a Kerry-Edwards administration would have focused on them is blowing smoke. There are a lot of Republicans who know that this tarring of the Democratic Party as far left wackos is a bunch of bullshit propaganda, but they have many willing listeners so they keep it up. Let's face it, this process of demonization has been incredibly effective with a huge swath of the electorate that by and large isn't really willing to take a hard look at the real issues. Mean time, keep in mind that things we take for granted like Social Security, Medicare, the right of unions to organize, civil rights, workplace health and safety, environmental regulation and a long list of other mainstream ideas were birthed, by and large, by Democrats. And even though a lot of Republicans want people to believe that a Democrat's religiosity is somehow inferior to their own, don't believe it. The establishment clause of the First Amendment is a 200+ year old reminder of a proud American belief that a person can believe in God and a secular society at the same time.****** said:I've figured out why I'm so upset. Its because I have no voice. I'm in the middle, With the leftist peta freaks and gaywads on one side, the bible thumping goodie twoshoes on the other. What happened to being a moderate? The democratic party is lost. So far left, that my dad, I life long teamster(27yrs at Rainier beer) voted Bush. WTF???
YT :beathead:
You paint with a mighty wide brush, my friend! To know what I think without ever meeting me is quite the skill. How do you do it?o mykiss said:Rove and guys like Coho, Chadk, Cactus, Bugnuts and Bright Rivers like to frame the Demos as concerned only about ramming through gay marriage and women's unfettered right to a late term "partial birth abortions."
Yellowstone National Park, 1872, the first National Park, was established by President US Grant, Republican.Steve Buckner said:When was there a republican president in office who set acreage aside for National Park Development, tightened EPA standards, fined big business for their destruction and not rewarded it, protected valuable forests and ecosystems, and sided with the Endangered Species act?
And your picture is based on what? What you see on CBS? What you read in The New York Times? A personal aquaintance with many conservatives? I could just as easily make the observation that the Democrat Party nature is pacifist, pro-abortion, anti-death penalty, anti-business and for income redistribution. However, I'm aware that, while in large part accurate, it does not represent every Democrat just as your description does not represent every Republican.Steve Buckner said:The picture that I paint of the republican party, is in large part accurate. It is mostly made up of neo-conservative, religiously oriented (I should further clarify this to be christian) people. The nature of the republican party is for big business. They are anti-abortion, pro-war, pro death penalty. It was this same agenda that the Bush administration sold to the american public.
I hear all of this talk about EPA rollbacks yet I have yet to see any signifigant evidence of it. Are you saying that all past EPA regulations were perfect as written and need no modifications to fit current situations? The conservative position is that it is more productive to offer incentives than simply punishment for industry.Steve Buckner said:But the challenge still exists, how will the republican agenda save our wild forests, the water that we drink, the air we breath, and the fish that we all claim to love? GWB has rolled back so many of the EPA restrictions. At this point, he doesn't even recognize global warming. What's up with that?
I agree with the need to drill in ANWAR, as do the Eskimos living there! To drill in 4% of the reserve, as proposed will do little damage. And one thing people need to understand is that ANWAR is not a designated wilderness area.Steve Buckner said:...and he's paving the way to drill for oil in the Alaskan wilderness. He stated on his last visit to Washington that there would be no dam removal on the Columbia.
Thanks for the support, BR. However, if nominated, I will not accept; if elected, I will not serve!Bright Rivers said:Cactus, I would nominate you, if it weren't for the fact that I am so pleased with President we already have!
daniel -- I am glad that you took the time to "read up" on the issues before choosing your candidate. But you should be aware that a liberal citing Michael Moore and Robert Kennedy Jr. as his key influencers will garner about as much credibility as a conservative touting Jerry Falwell and Alan Keyes.daniel said:If Michael Moore's stuff didn't affect me, Robert Kennedy Jr's book "Crimes Against Nature" did.