Native summers

Discussion in 'Spey Clave' started by Panhandle, Feb 24, 2011.

  1. Richard Torres

    Richard Torres Active Member

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    Sg a technical writer is still a writer.

    I agree with with these folks.

    The wealth of knowledge you possess and share with us could be used as a invaluable communication tool to help the fish we care about.
     
  2. thewaker

    thewaker Tight line takes ain't no fakes!!

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    SG,

    I'd bet there are plenty that would be interested in a PNW steelhead book written from a more technical position/perspective. I know I would. Always a little more to learn about those fish.
     
  3. KerryS

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    Perhaps SG and Smalma could colaborate on a book. That would be one book I would buy. Likely the combined knowledge of these two gentlemen could not be rivaled by any other combination.
     
  4. Steelie Mike

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    Agreed, this would be a very interesting read for sure.
     
  5. Panhandle

    Panhandle Active Member

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    I would buy that book in a heart beat. "History of Steelhead in the Pacific Northwest"
     
  6. Andrew Lawrence

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    iagree
     
  7. Old Man

    Old Man Just an Old Man

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  8. Derek Day

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    I was refering to a reference to Wahl. Like I said, it was second hand. I haven't read Shangri La myself. But, the second hand refernce was made by the second author on the most recent estimate of historical abundance for O Mykiss in the PS, published in the Canadian Journal of Fisheries and Aquatic Science (very interestin BTW).
     
  9. Robert Engleheart

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    SG has some great info; I wish I knew what he's forgotten. As a PNW native I remember the Kalama and EFL "springers"; they were hot fish. Now my home waters are the NoCA rivers and I think the Rogue would have to be included as a harbor of native summer fish, though most are 1/2 pounders. I've spent the last 4 years on the TRINITY AND HAD THE PLEASURE OF MEETING SOME LOCAL AND NOT-SO-LOCALS (sorry about the caps, I'm getting in my cups) who've told me the Trinity, while best known for it's fall and winter fish, has steelhead year-round, most jet up the tributatries and aren't easily caught, as most are closed. One fellow, who's been fishing there since the 1960's, says there is a small April/May run of natives that are 2 & 3 salt fish, similar to the "springers" of SW Washington. I believe him and while I've not connected with one, it's the unicorn I'm chasing for now.
     
  10. nutsack angler

    nutsack angler newb

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    You must be talking about Bill? I just saw that article today, how about those Nooksack numbers!
     
  11. Chris Johnson

    Chris Johnson Member: Native Fish Society

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    Shawn, Those #'s are astounding! their reference to % of habitat loss and how low the # are now was suprizing to me!

    P.S. I knew the nookie had potential!
     
  12. Derek Day

    Derek Day Rockyday

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    The Nooksack numbers blew my mind. It only looked at habitat loss due to loss of access, not degradation. 30% loss of access for a corresponding 2500% decline in numbers. I misspoke earlier, the Finney "premier" run was a hatchery program, I think.
     
  13. Smalma

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    Derek -
    To the best of my knowledge those Finney Creek fish were not hatchery fish, though whiel there certainly could have been some hatchery strays included.

    After poking around bit in the Skagit basin and even though I had manage to catch some wild summer steelhead in the basin I'm firmly convinced that there isn't any significant summer steelhead habitat in the Skagit basin. Through the rest of North Puget Sound where native summer steelhead are/were found it was always when there was significant habitat available for steelhead use above some sort of migration barrier (usually some sort of falls) that provides a selection advantage for the summer life history. I have not found such habitat in the Skagit basin.

    Something that folks often over look is that both Day and Finney Creeks drain the opposite side of the ridge from Deer Creek which had by far the largest run of summer steelhead in Puget Sound. Have always wondered if some of those summer fish on the Skagit side were visiting Deer Creek fish. A pet theory that I have for the origin of those wild summers (especially those in areas other than the middle Skagit) is that they were produced by smolts from resident rainbow populations above anadromous barriers.

    I too read that abundance paper with great interest and your habitat comments are spot on. With a fish like steelhead who spends several years rearing in freshwater and requires a variety of habitats at different times of the year and at different sizes the quality and diversity of habitat may be at least as important as the amount of habitat. In fact given the combination from the habitat lost and the hit from greatly reduced marine survival the surprise is that the region still has as many wild steelhead as it does. Any more detailed discussion of the abundance question probably merits its own thread.

    Tight lines
    Curt
     
  14. stilly stalker

    stilly stalker Tuna sniffer

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    except the NF Stilly has no such barrier. The south fork nooksak does to a certain extent
     
  15. Chris Johnson

    Chris Johnson Member: Native Fish Society

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    I've never been up deer creek but, aren't most of the summer runs deer creek fish?