Nets in Purdy

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  1. wet line

    wet line New Member

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    Bill on the Bay,

    Isn't there a minimum mesh size for gill nets. I think it is 3 or 4 inches but not sure.

    If the mesh size is too small a larger fish won't be caught. And with a mesh size of 3 or 4 inches a cutthroat would pass through the net unaffected.

    Some clarification would be appreciated and informative.

    Dave
     
  2. Go Fish

    Go Fish Language, its a virus

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    Bill, Sorry to lump you in with some of the others I have seen netting.

    I'm glad that you have yet
    to catch a Coastal Cutthroat while
    netting, however I have seen evidence
    to the contrary with dead fish left to
    rot on the beach by other people
    netting in the Purdy area. I'll take some
    pictures next time.

    Tight lines and welcome.

    Dave
     
  3. Bill on the bay

    Bill on the bay New Member

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    Minimum mesh size of 5 inches for gillnet or larger depending on species fished for. Minimum mesh size for beach seine would be 3.5 inches.
     
  4. wet line

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    Bill,

    Thank you for the clarification. Though it may be possible but highly unlikely a searun cutt would have a difficult time being snared by a gill net with a 3.5" mesh size and no way could they get caught in a 5" mesh.

    Hopefully some will realize that when targettting certain fish in a beach seine the cutts are for the most part not subjected to netting. The other point is the nets were being set on a hatchery run after the escapement had been reached. That is ethical in my view and I would hope others would consider that. Surplus hatchery fish need to be caught. That is why they are there!

    Once again, thank-you Bill for being on the forum. There is in general a huge misunderstanding of how the commercials fish and maybe you can add some insight. Not all commercial fishing is bad and it has a place in our fisheries. There is no way that sport fishermen can harvest and remove excess hatchery fish that in themselves can become detrimental.

    Dave
     
  5. MDL

    MDL We work to become, not to acquire.

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    While Bill is a commercial fisherman and targeting a specific run he may have been confused as a tribal fishermen. The tribal also target specific runs, most of the time. This summer the nets had very small openings targeting wild kings, coho and whatever else got in their net (large SRC's). All while having the nets anchored from shore to shore. Hazard to navigation? Calling tribal enforcement, Puyallup, and the feds, WDFW did nothing. Not until the cops showed up and saw the damage being done under the Purdy bridge did they get kicked out. Sorry Bill if you got lumped in with some bad apples.
     
  6. SRCguy

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    So who is going to introduce Bill to fly fishing? He sounds like sympathetic steward of our fragile fishery and a future fly fisher.
     
  7. Go Fish

    Go Fish Language, its a virus

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    I doubt that Bill would have taken offense
    if he was a commercial fisherman.
     
  8. Stonefish

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    For those that think gill nets don't take SRC's, please keep drinking the Kool-Aid.
    They may not take a lot, but the ones I've seen have all been big truly awesome specimens.
     
  9. dryflylarry

    dryflylarry "Chasing Riseforms"

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    Look. One of the beaches I fish that was being netted with a beach seine had a mesh size of 2-1/2 inches square. I know, I CUT out a piece and took it home to measure. It was the S'Klallam Tribe fishing in the Hood Canal. Run those babies right up on the beach and see how many sea run cutthroat get by...... not a chance.
     
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    dryflylarry "Chasing Riseforms"

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    And here's the photo of the mesh size I refer to:
     
  11. Bill on the bay

    Bill on the bay New Member

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    So there is no confusion, I am a tribal fisherman. There is always risk of catching SRC in a fishery, I am preaching my own experiences in south sound where my encounters with cutties, along with many others, has been minimal considering the numbers in this area. The photo dryflylarry posted would be a piece of gillnet,not beach seine as stated. The measurement of 2.5" square I think would actually be more like 5" mesh when hung vertically. I have more concern with the backyard poaching of cutties in the local area streams.
     
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    I think my private messaging is not working. Any ideas why?
     
  13. dryflylarry

    dryflylarry "Chasing Riseforms"

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    Bill, welcome to the site. So tell me, the net I have shown is illegal to use from a beach as it was used? My other question for you is the tribes rules for netting distance from a creek mouth in the Hood Canal. Several years ago now, I was told by the Skok Tribe officer that it was 1000'. The guys I saw this year (not Skokomish Tribe) told me the rule for them was 600'. If so, is that rule different for different tribes?
     
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    MDL We work to become, not to acquire.

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    Once the SRC's are in the streams or rivers they can be harvested as per the state regs, except where it's noted as closed for fishing. Although most don't know the tribal regulations for fishing what we see just doesn't add up. We have to follow state regulations for debarbed hooks, no snagging and minimum retention for a given season. When talking to gear and fly snaggers/flossers all I hear is the tribes get to rape the run and all I'm doing is taking a few fish. Something needs to be done to protect the resources, on all parts. But we know where that path goes.
     
  15. Chris Johnson

    Chris Johnson Member: Native Fish Society

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    When you measure a mesh, it is streached flat and measured from knot to knot. There is a big difference between gillnet web and seine web. In the 25+ years I fished commercially in P. S., I never saw a cutthroat gill in seine web and the few we did catch could be counted on one hand ( all were released unharmed. I have never seen a cutty that would gill in 5" mesh, not saying they don't exist, but they are rare.