new line or new rod?

Salmo_g

Well-Known Member
#17
I'm kind of amazed at how many different lines there are for two handed rods. There used to be one, and it was a double taper. If anything, it seems like the evolution of Spey lines, if they can be called that, is toward ever shorter lines that are easier to cast. If this trend continues, I envision either Rio or Airflow as the first to announce the "Canadian." Unfortunately you won't be able to store in on your favorite Spey reel because it will be shaped exactly like the Canadian cork float that it is intended to mimic, although it will be available in many grain weights. You just attach it to your 20 or 30# Amnesia shooting line and Spey/Skagit/strip cast it a country mile. Accompanying this evolutionary marvel of a fly line will be a new set of sink tips - called "slinkies" - that consist of lead shot inside a length of parachute cord that will sink your fly to the very stones to persue those fish species that refuse to rise up from the deep to take our fly like a proper trout.

So no, I'm not overly taken by all the new fads in fly line design, particularly when the casting begins to resemble something different from fly casting. I am happy with my Skagit heads for fishing sink tips, but the compact Skagit, or sub-compact Skagit, like the "Canadian" mentioned above, remind me why I also own a spinning rod.

* This post isn't intended to denigrate Canadians. My reference above are the long tapered floats favored by Canadian float fishermen I observed fishing the Thompson River.

Sg
 

yuhina

Tropical member
#18
How could you go wrong with a new Riverwatch?
what rod you got... Chris
I have one, but it has been sitting in my closet and waiting for a trip... the trip is finally coming... : )
I did take her out to do some warm up runs in last few weeks... it is a really amazing fishing rod,
there is no doubt Mr. Clay is the rod wizard!
 

KerryS

Ignored Member
#19
None of it matters much to me anymoe. I have a couple of the newer lines sitting in my splice box having been used once or twice then I put my old homemade line back on 'cause it casts as good as any I of the new ones I have tried. From time to time I buy a new rod, line it up a throw some bugs with it. Every now and then when I try a new rod I actually catch a fish but again I gravitate back to the rods I know best and sell the new ones off. I did keep a newer rod I got a year or two ago. Kind of a challenge. I have not been able to line it to my liking yet. Although I haven't really spent that much time on it. I like the action and the length so I kept is as a backup rod. This year I will fine tune a line for it. Nice thing about not being impressed with new lines or rods; I don't spend much money on them. My main purpose is to catch fish and the rods I have along with the lines I use do just that.
 

yuhina

Tropical member
#20
None of it matters much to me anymoe. I have a couple of the newer lines sitting in my splice box having been used once or twice then I put my old homemade line back on 'cause it casts as good as any I of the new ones I have tried. From time to time I buy a new rod, line it up a throw some bugs with it. Every now and then when I try a new rod I actually catch a fish but again I gravitate back to the rods I know best and sell the new ones off. I did keep a newer rod I got a year or two ago. Kind of a challenge. I have not been able to line it to my liking yet. Although I haven't really spent that much time on it. I like the action and the length so I kept is as a backup rod. This year I will fine tune a line for it. Nice thing about not being impressed with new lines or rods; I don't spend much money on them. My main purpose is to catch fish and the rods I have along with the lines I use do just that.
Well said Kerry,
To reach that "point" and coming back to the original is the learning process. Hard to practice, but I am getting there... try a new line, study them a little bit to figure out what is in the buzz and sell it off...occasionally some "new stuff" will stay and eventually become "the old stuff"...
 

yuhina

Tropical member
#21
I'm kind of amazed at how many different lines there are for two handed rods. There used to be one, and it was a double taper. If anything, it seems like the evolution of Spey lines, if they can be called that, is toward ever shorter lines that are easier to cast. If this trend continues, I envision either Rio or Airflow as the first to announce the "Canadian." Unfortunately you won't be able to store in on your favorite Spey reel because it will be shaped exactly like the Canadian cork float that it is intended to mimic, although it will be available in many grain weights. You just attach it to your 20 or 30# Amnesia shooting line and Spey/Skagit/strip cast it a country mile. Accompanying this evolutionary marvel of a fly line will be a new set of sink tips - called "slinkies" - that consist of lead shot inside a length of parachute cord that will sink your fly to the very stones to persue those fish species that refuse to rise up from the deep to take our fly like a proper trout.

So no, I'm not overly taken by all the new fads in fly line design, particularly when the casting begins to resemble something different from fly casting. I am happy with my Skagit heads for fishing sink tips, but the compact Skagit, or sub-compact Skagit, like the "Canadian" mentioned above, remind me why I also own a spinning rod.

* This post isn't intended to denigrate Canadians. My reference above are the long tapered floats favored by Canadian float fishermen I observed fishing the Thompson River.

Sg
Fun read Steve! as always! Thanks for that!
I could be careless what people call it... short, long, med. tactical or advanced... all I am interested is the concept behind it... if it make sense, I will buy it. if it work well, I will use it... if it get to the point to remind me the slinky... well...I will just cut it back to the original... everyone has a scale about how far they want to go... some are well into gear's field, some don't... but you are the ONE to set the rule.

Company won't set the rule for you, they are driven by the market (a.k.a. Money- if say it bluntly). They want to cover as broad scale as possible as soon as "market" (read: Money) is there. Don't get me wrong, this is great as Klickoff said isn't captalism great! Yes... they give me cheap and fun stuff to test. But do they going to impact on the way I fish?! Hell no...
 
#22
Would be nice to see some new longer lines for a change instead of mostly shorter ones-
It seems to me there have been a handful of mid/long lines developed in the past couple years. The Nexcast lines, the Vectors, the Ian Gordons,....now Rio and SA have new mid head offerings with the UNI and the Atlantic Salmon (I know, not exactly long, but they're not skagit/scandi heads)
 

Leroy Laviolet

Aint no nookie like chinookie
#23
It seems to me there have been a handful of mid/long lines developed in the past couple years. The Nexcast lines, the Vectors, the Ian Gordons,....now Rio and SA have new mid head offerings with the UNI and the Atlantic Salmon (I know, not exactly long, but they're not skagit/scandi heads)
The vector is not a long line, cnd is m.i.a , and ian gordon lines are pretty tough to come buy state side from what i see ... Plenty of short stuff out there though it seems to me :)-
 

Ed Call

Well-Known Member
#24
Mark, screw the line conversation, how about some conversation about that 12' Riverwatch! Every cast I could hear the shooting line getting pulled off the reel by the head.
 

Red Shed

"junkyard spey"
#25
I don't think anyone should hold their breath that the mainsteam line companies will magically start making long bellies again. As best I can tell from my discussions with some of them they have
no interest in longer lines.
 

PT

Physhicist
#26
I don't think anyone should hold their breath that the mainsteam line companies will magically start making long bellies again. As best I can tell from my discussions with some of them they have
no interest in longer lines.
Is that because casting the shorter heads are just so much easier than learning to cast a mid to long belly line?