New World Record Spey Cast

Discussion in 'Spey Clave' started by FT, May 7, 2007.

  1. flybill

    flybill Purveyor of fine hackle, wine & cigars!

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    Amazing! On a side note, I got to grass cast a 17' competition rod this past weekend at the Sandy. It was the CND Beastie (one of a kind I believe) with a custom line of some sort. I was probably getting out past 100 feet, maybe 110'.. was aiming for Bhudda! Just can't imagine getting more than 120 or 130... at least with my technique!
     
  2. FT

    FT Active Member

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    flybill,

    The CND "Beastie", which I think is 17'2" is not a compitition rod, it is the little brother of the CND "Beast", a 17'11" true compitition rod. Tyler uses the "Beastie" to fish the Thompson River. The Beastie is quite a rod though and one of only two CND's I've cast that I like (the other is the 16'7" Thompson Specialist).
     
  3. speyghillie

    speyghillie speyghillie

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    Hi Guy,s
    Just to add, the Carron team use a line that is not cut, one complete line, and Scott was using a line designed by Ian Gordon for the EWM, all the distance speycasters are using long belly lines and have done so for years, Got to say well done to Gordie Armstrong, and to Scott who has been away from competition for a few years, should make for some good stuff at the big one, the CLA.
    Gordon.
     
  4. DRBfish

    DRBfish New Member

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    Wow! Awesome casting. These guys are getting so much better each year.

    I would love a custom comp rod and line, I gota think Carron puts some money into being the best. I don't mean to take anything away from the casters, I know they are tops in the world, I just gota think a regular guy just couldn't compete with off the shelf rods and lines.

    I would guess the talk of shorter heads was at SOR where you have to snake roll two of the casts?
     
  5. FT

    FT Active Member

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    Gordon,

    Were the lines made with an extra long running line portion to keep from having backing line out the rod top? And what is the diameter of the running line portion of these compitition lines?
     
  6. Flybill,
    Just one question, did ya hit Bhudda?
    :)
     
  7. speyghillie

    speyghillie speyghillie

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    Hi FT,
    Not sure of the line diameter, but i think the Carron lines are a full 50 yrd line then with running line attached, so the line is not cut at the head and running line attached from there, it depends i guess on what each comp rules are. but in the UK you only get a couple of minutes to make you casts during the comp, so stripping in loads of running line uses up to much time and its a 40/45 degree angle change, so comps invovle a 90 angle change which is more suited to short heavy heads, but in saying that Gordon won those comps too.
    Like anything, these guys cast well over 70 yards all the time, its just a case of getting it right on the day and the weather being suitable for your couple of minutes, not all comp rods are fishing rods.
    Gordon.
     
  8. Sloan Craven

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    Well over 70 yards all the time? How is that possible if the new record is 73 yards?
     
  9. tweedside

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    They practice a lot! The 7o yard barrier often gets broken when casting for practice!

    In the Kelso competition they had 3 minutes to cast. There was no limit on number of attempts: only the best cast counted. There were many very long casts from the 6 finalists which did not count as some part of the rig was blown into the no-go zone; the conditions were absolutely dreadful - the sort of winds which would make many fisherman stay at home.

    Everyone who competed must be congratulated: and those who did well, especially the Carron Team, are to be warmly held in the highest esteem.

    Eoin Fairgreve along with his band of helpers in organizing such a wonderful 2 day angling fair is also congratulated. Having been involved in organizing horse competitions and agricultural shows I know how much time is involved - and the level of tact required! Well done Eoin and your team.
     
  10. FT

    FT Active Member

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    Gordon,

    Thanks for the clarification on where the running line is attached to the comp lines. I was thinking it was attached within a foot of the ending of the back taper, which would also mean less stripping that with a short, heavy head. Still, with casts of 70 yds and more and a comp line head of 105', there is still a goodly bit of running line being stripped.

    I got to see some of the Carron clan cast at Aaron's (speybum) spey casting get together last fall. They are impressive, as is the Carron 17'11" comp rod. These top spey casters would have to practice cast for distance most everyday to have the consistency they have.
     
  11. Salmon Chaser

    Salmon Chaser Wannabe Spey God

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    It was asked earlier but is there anywhere that the comps can be viewed online? Have they ever been released in DVD form? I would love to see these guys blasting out casts for an hour or so!!!:beer2:
    Salmon Chaser
     
  12. Sloan Craven

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    That they practice a lot and they are good is not the hard part to believe, Im sure they also have some talent they are born with. What's unbelieveable is that theres that many people that can regularly come close to a a world record cast. The number one guy got 73, the number 2 got 71 and the number 3 got only 68! But even though number three got 68.5 yards all these guys have no problem breaking 70 yards when it doesn't count? It just sounds too fishy. I'm not trying to pick an argument, but if I told you the that every sprinter in the olympics can consistently run a 50 m in under 5.8 seconds in practice and the world record is 5.6 seconds; its really hard to beleive.
     
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    I was fortunate to have all three of the Carron Fellows staying with me in the MH that weekend; GREAT fellows all. One of the fellows commented that it's actually 'easier' to make very long casts on moving water than on a 'still pond.' Gather the extra 'water loading' on the line can make quite a difference vis a vis the length of the cast(s).

    On the length of the Carron lines (if memory serves here) they're usually 150' long; for competition an extra length of running line is spliced to the end. Usually the equipment used has to be readily available "on the open market." (Frequently there will be a restriction on the size (width) of the line or a max. of (to pick something) a 10/11 weight and the length of the rod.)
    Fred
     
  14. Steve Buckner

    Steve Buckner Mother Nature's Son

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    Hey Sloan,
    I think it's believeable that those folks are routinely hitting 70+ yards, and some days probably somewhat further - especially when they're practicing and in their own element. I know that many consider that one will lose 5-10% (or more) of one's casting distance when the increased stress of being involved in a competition is added to the equation. The same holds true for sprinters - many world record times are beaten but they're not counted because they didn't take place under the same circumstances.

     
  15. Sloan Craven

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    That's definitely true Steve my man. But the greatest athletes, the record breakers, always perform better in competitive environments than in practice. Either way, Id like to sit in on one of these competitions and watch these guys cast. I d like to watch it from a football field to see how the cast develops over distance.