New World Record Spey Cast

Discussion in 'Spey Clave' started by FT, May 7, 2007.

  1. Nooksack Mac

    Nooksack Mac Active Member

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    I don't want to risk besmirching the top competitors' splendid achievements, but I'd like to know more about those strong, nasty winds, and how their prevailing direction related to the direction of the casts. How could any competition involving hurling projectiles for distance set new records into the teeth of a strong wind? Every fly angler knows what casting into the wind does to one's best efforts.

    So either the wind was into the faces of the casting competitors, in which case new record distances would have been impossible; or the wind was from the side, presenting a major annoyance; or it was at the competitors' backs, providing a natural advantage - in which case "new record distances" should not be counted or acknowledged.
     
  2. James Mello

    James Mello Inventor of the "closed eye conjecture"

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    Rarely is a wind purely advantagous or disadvantagous. In track meets regardless of the specific direction of the wind, if it's outdoors and over a certain threshold it don't count. I'd like to see something similar just to make sure things are on an even playing field. Regardless though, 70 yards is a *RIDIRKULOUS* amount of line to throw.
     
  3. speyghillie

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    Hi Salmon Chaser,
    I know one of the guys is going to have a DVD out later this year, in fact i think its getting done right now, but will know better when i get home to the Spey.
    I will say that in the next 6 months the world record will be broken again, most of the lines used are not fishing lines but comp lines, and the rods are almost all UK built rods that can take the style of distance casting and last, all the distance casters have tried loads of rods but still use the same UK companies.
    Gordon.
     
  4. fredaevans

    fredaevans Active Member

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    In these competitions, as a norm, any/all the equipment has to be available 'on the open market.' If you want one of the Carron Comp rods, you're only a call and credit card number away from being a 'proud owner.' :thumb:
     
  5. Salmon Chaser

    Salmon Chaser Wannabe Spey God

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    Gordon.
    Many thanks for getting back to me regarding my question. I will surely be on the lookout for a copy when it becomes available. Please let us know of any comp DVD's.
    Salmon Chaser
     
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    Agree with the word "purely," but I can think of two instances (one good, one bad) where the 'wind' was THE factor involved. On the good side, I like the winners, use Carron dry lines (standard heads) and on the Deschutes a 'tailing wind' is a GOOD THING. Only time in my life where I could (16' rod) consistently cast well over 120 feet.

    On the bad side, it cost Steve Choate his second first place win a few years back. His turn ... and the wind came up into his face ...... Game over.:beathead:
     
  7. Hal Eckert

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    Just like a golf ball driving distance contest the winner does not mean anything as far as golf or fly fishing proficiency and results.

    Personally would be more interested in an accuracy casting contest with heavy sink tips on the spey.

    My 2 cents.


    :confused: :)

    BG
     
  8. tweedside

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    Although I agree with black ghost (above) in principle I would have to admit that there are exceptions. The Ness is a wide East Coast Scottish river much of which is only fishable by GOOD spey casters who can throw a long line with accuracy in often VERY windy conditions and whilst wading deep. It is no coincidence that the two top placed casters at Kelso are Gillies on adjoining beats on that river! IF there was an "All Skills" spey casting tournament I would back these two - Gordon Armstrong and Scott McKenzie against any others. They would be hot favourites with the bookies!
    And Mr. Costello of Ireland - also of the Carron Team would, I bet, on an average score basis be very very highly placed in a mixed fly casting competition covering salt water, trout distance, accuracy, open salmon fly, Spey (or whatever else would be a test of åll round ability). I know that you have good all rounders in the US and Canada..Why not organize such a competition for next years GG competition?
    These boys are GOOD...Very good!
     
  9. speyghillie

    speyghillie speyghillie

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    While i agree with tweedside about most of the guy's being great fishers not just distance casters,having know Scott Mackenzie for a good while now he sure can catch fish as well as cast.
    As far as the competition goes, you will not be able to buy the lines used off the shelf. Carron like any company wants there guy's to have the best and quite right, no other company, not one, is putting the money into distance casting like Carron, it seems as though Carron being just a small company is the only one interested in competition casting, even SA made the XLT shorter and more of a fishing line, there seems to be no interest from the bigger companies to produce a competition line.
    Gordon.
     
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    On a related topic, Steve Rajeff demonstrated his two-handed distance rod at the Sandy Spey Clave two weekends ago. It's a specialty rod by GLoomis, 17' long, and stiff as a pool cue stick, and so thick in the butt section there was no cork grip. He cast a shooting head that I think was around 60 some feet long, followed by a holding line, and used 12# monofiliment nylon as the running line. He boomed out some casts in the 200' range using overhead casting technique. Strictly a competition casting tool, as it would be nigh on impossible to fish with.
     
  11. speyghillie

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    Hi Salmo_g,
    Thats spot on, none of the guy's using a competition rods and lines use them for fishing, in the Speycasting comps it involves a change of direction which is not so easy with a line of 100 to 110ft head, casting a short heavy head would be much easier, but you only get a couple of mins so stripping in loads of running does'nt help, but if you get it right you only need one cast.
    I think in the future some one will win by using this method, a kind of throwing a brick on a ball of string, which would take away from the skill of casting a long line with angle change, maybe one day all the guys will use one rod and line, still think Gordon Armtrong and Scott Mackenzie would be there at the top, but at least you could have a chance.
    We have a little competition here at home, and everybody uses the same rod and line, i can never win it but it makes for good fun.
    Gordon.
     
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    fredaevans Active Member

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    Nextcast spey lines.

    Gordon, I think we may be coming to that point: http://www.irishangler.com/ (Nuts, the link only takes you to the main web page. Hit 'on line catalog,' lines, then Next cast.)

    Candidly, don't know sh1t from shinola about these lines, but I have seen them in competition a couple of times already. Casters did VERY well with this weight forward design.
    Fred
     
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    Hi Fred,
    Tried those last year, and very nice they were too, but i think the next step in the speycasting for distance will be a much heavier head than even the next cast lines, i have a Clan rod that would throw my granny across the river, so short heavy lines are easy to cast with a big rod.
    I like the Idea of there being some skill involved , like change of direction and casting long belly lines or off each shoulder, i once took a guy fishing that was over in Scotland for a single handed distance competition, he had never cast on water as all the comps had been grass, well he could,nt cast on water for toffee and ended up hooking himself in the back of his head.
    I am glad to say that all the guy's in the Speycasting competitions are really good fishermen not just casters, for Gordie and Scott its there job, and a fishing rod is just a tool for work.
    Gordon.
     
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    One of the few times this week I've actually laughed out loud.

    I can just picture the above in my mind ...... regardless, that still had to hurt ... not to mention being embarrassing as all get out.:rolleyes: Interesting comment about Gordie and Scott (I'll throw in James Chalmers, et al from Carron) I was under the impression (wrong apparently) these fellows all had 'regular day jobs' and the casting was (for a lack of a better word) 'a hobby.':confused:

    Fred
     
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    Hi Fred,
    Gordie Armstrong and Scott Mackenzie are both Ghillie's on the River Ness, so they are on the river, not always fishing, but at the river six days a week.
    With guests bringing there own rods think of how many rods a year they try.
    Yes the other guy's work regular jobs and casting for distance is just a hobby, but over the last five years its Scott and Gordie who have come out on top in every competition around the world over that period.
    I do think that the lines developed for distance can help advance normal fishing lines, i just wish more companies were interested.
    Gordon.
    PS got to go fishin.