Newbie to Forum wondering...Any Flyfishers with an opinion? (haha)

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  1. CastIronTrout

    CastIronTrout New Member

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    Okay, I know you're all dying to know and even if you're not, I'm going to tell you because I'm stoked. I ended up passing on the Hobie (for now) and went with an Ocean Kayak Trident 11 Angler for my first Yak. I really wanted the Hobie so I can troll on still water or stay in the same general place on moving water, but after some advice from the forum (thank you Mr Wallace :ray1: ) and further research, I decided to try the Ocean Kayak Trident and then if I feel I'm really missing out, the Hobie will become my second Kayak.

    So now, who wants to post some pics of their setup on the Trident? I could even use some pictures of the hauling and storing part of it as well and thanks in advance.
     
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    Jim Wallace Smells like low tide.

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    If I were to go out and purchase a new SOT for near-shore ocean and jetty fishing here, I wouldn't get the heavier 14 footer I now own, but a lighter 11' or 12' yak, like you got. I am not paddling as far to fish in that boat as I thought I might, so a shorter, lighter, more responsive, and easier-to-handle yak would be better for me. I had guessed that the 14' would be a better length for paddling greater distances, but it turns out that I'm not really going that far.
    I do feel a bit more secure in a 14' yak when fishing outside the jetty entrance, with all those sea lions (including a big Stellar, last time I was out) swimming around the tip of the jetty. Depth drops off from 25'-35' feet over the sunken jetty out there to 50' -60' and that makes me nervous, as its a perfect set up for a Great White to come in from deeper water and hunt the sea lions there. 16' 9" beast hauled from near that spot back in 1969, I think it was.

    By the way, the conditions are great today and tomorrow for a low tide go-out, to fish the incoming thru the high. Wind is lighter and from the SW... swell is small enough... perfect for yak fishing off the Jetty.
     
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    I don't actually get to even see it for another couple of weeks. The same day I bought it, the guy was leaving on a business/R&R trip and won't return until after the 16th. Then, I need to drive the F-350 up to Seattle to get it. That give's me two weeks to figure out how I'm going to get it back down here to Vancouver. :confused: Harbor Freight has a ladder rack for contractors which is adjustable in width and would accomodate the Trident (and probably any other one made). Between six feet of bed and about six feet of cab, it should ride okay, but I'm thinking I should try to pad it between the kayak and the unsupported six feet over the cab so I can somehow strap it down in front. If I buy the ladder rack, I'll tie the kayak in at least two places on the back half. Suggestions oh wise one? :ray1:
     
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    Jim Wallace Smells like low tide.

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    Dang! Figuring out transport a yak isn't that much of a brain teaser. You might as well get some racks that will work for you. I prefer to use my canoe trailer, but I often throw it onto my Yakima racks.
    Your padding the front above the cab sounds good for now. Strap it down firmly to each rack. Don't strap it too tightly in hot weather, since poly boats are subject to "oil canning" when strapped too tightly when its getting hotter out. Be sure to have some sort of line tied from the front end of the truck to the bow. I clip a line on my bow grab-handle, in the middle of the line, and run each end over my hood and down under to my towing hooks. This will keep the bow from moving side-to side while driving. Maybe some kind of attachment in the stern or to the racks, to keep the yak in the racks if you have a head-on or have to hit the brakes too hard. Have fun!
     
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    Good idea Jim on securing the front end (to avoid fishtailing), but then you're always full of good ideas and related wisdom. Here's a link to the ladder rack I mentioned. Its presently $99 and then there's a 20% off coupon so less than $90 with tax. What do you think of this idea for a single Kayak over the cab of my truck? Seems better than having it in the bed and hanging out five feet. I also don't have a trailer yet, but will probably end up with one around the same time as the second Kayak. Open to any ideas as far as the ladder rack idea goes and thanks again....Dave

    This ladder rack fits most pickup trucks, and measures 53" high.

    ■Load arms adjust from 19" to 34" high and 1-1/2" to 1-3/4" wide
    ■1-1/2" square main tubes with rust-resistant black enamel finish
    ■Also use for long, lightweight construction materials and surfboards
    ■Polyester straps with hook-and-loop closure to attach and stabilize loads
    Extendable legs: 53" H x 1-3/4" W x 2" L
    Overall dimensions: 22-1/4" L x 4" W x 54-3/4" H
    Shipping Weight: 48.50 lbs.

    http://www.harborfreight.com/250-lb-truck-ladder-rack-66187.html
     
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    Jim Wallace Smells like low tide.

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    I went to the link, and yes, that should work fine for one yak. Max capacity is 250 lbs and that's plenty. I saw some deluxe and expensive p/u truck racks made by Thule that mount on each of the rails with bars that go all the way across. For one yak, that ladder rack will accomplish the same job for less $$.
    A few of my local surf buddies who are carpenters/builders just haul their boards and other toys on their over-cab ladder racks.

    Lots of yakkers use some kind of "saddles" on their crossbars to better hold the yak hull. Without saddles, you can probably haul your SOT lashed on upside down. My U-12 goes on upside down. I already had some old Yakima saddles that I use for my Tarpon 140, so it rides deck up, but I think I could get that on upside down without 'em.

    In your original post, you also mentioned storage. Always store poly hulls out of the sun. I keep mine locked up in my garage. 303 is good sunscreen for the hull, if you are car-topping it in hot-sunny weather any distance. UV eventually breaks down the polyethylene over the years if you leave 'em in the sun.
     
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    Thank you for the reply. I had considered the saddle idea, but as a "newbie", not certain where to start. I figured I would come up with a dense or closed cell foam for the crossbars which would not only pad the kayak, but contour to it as well (wishfull thinking). The five feet or so that rides above the cab, will also be padded some how, but as more of a support. As for storage, mine will also be kept in a secured garage. In the past I've kept the two Pontoon boats I own near the ceiling and suspended by a pulley system. I assumed I will be doing the same with the kayak. The aluminum boat stays in the yard and the truck's in the driveway as the garage has always been more of a shop and for toy storage. Probably using the "newbie" alibi or defense to much, but haven't heard of 303.:confused: I'll have to surf the Web to see what that's all about and maybe take a look at some other ideas for the saddles. I like the Yakima line, but as mentioned it can be a bit pricey. I think I'll give the ladder rack a try. Hopefully I'll like it and maybe be able to offer some pros and cons on this and the NWKA forum. Thanks again Jim. :thumb:
     
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    Personally, I'd go with a ladder rack for my work truck before I put an expensive sport rack on it. Sport racks may look cooler, but that ladder rack will get the job done just the same for much cheaper. You might want to get the rack, and maybe some foam pads for the bars, but wait until you fit your yak to the top to see what other attachments you will need, just so you'll get the right stuff.

    303 is sunscreen for plastics and maybe some rubber compounds like tires. Expensive stuff. Poly hulls eventually get broken down by UV. That takes several years of leaving it in the sunlight all the time, though. If I were going on a road trip for a few days or more in sunny weather and/or always car-topping my poly-hull yak, or often leaving it on the racks parked in the sun, I might treat it. I have some, but have used it mainly on other stuff like my spray skirts. I haven't applied any to my hull yet, since I worry that the smell might put off the cutthroat bite. I imagine leaving a trail of 303 molecules everywhere I paddle if I put that stuff on. I just try to always keep my boats in the shade when I'm not paddling or transporting them. Most of the time I'm out paddling early, late, or on foggy or overcast days, so the UV isn't as intense.
     
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    Good man...somewhere I had gotten the impression you did the majority of your angling in salt water. My new improved assumption is maybe not, since spooking cutthroats with 303 molecules is a concern. I may get up north and try some bays or inlets some day, but am primarily buying the first kayak as a freshwater vessel. One of my first destinations will be Merrill Lake. I will have missed the majority of the Hex hatch, but for no more technical of a fly fisher than I am, I’m guessing the trout will forgive me. Its not a bad sized lake and I figure it’ll be good for getting acquainted with the kayak learning curve and with catching any trout secondary.

    I had done an Internet search since inquiring about 303 finding quite a bit of information and several opinions that may as well have been paid endorsements as they sounded a bit polished. There were also some forum questions that compared it to Armor All, but of course the 303 was touted as being far superior, which maybe it should at five times the price. Going to have to ponder that one longer and in the mean time, once again follow your lead and store my kayaks in the garage, in the shade as much as possible and I'm all about cloudy, overcast and foggy days.....seems to me the fish are too.