NFO Dragonfly

Discussion in 'Watercraft' started by Blue, Apr 26, 2014.

  1. Wayne Kohan

    Wayne Kohan fish-ician

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    Last year I bought a Hyside minimax, a 10 1/2 ft boat, got an NRS longhorn frame with extra crossbar, 3 Carlisle oars and blades, oar locks and oar towers, a cooler for the front guy to sit on, well under $3000, all new. Hyside is an US company, though boats admittedly made outside the US, and are made of Hypalon, and Hysides are known for their toughness. Boat weight is 67 pounds, without the frame. I don't have a floor to stand on or a lean bar, but did not buy a boat of that size to fish out of it, just to transport to places to fish down the river. If I were planning on fishing out of the boat, I would get something larger. There are some frame makers out there that can make a great frame for this boat, through NRS I just stopped in Moscow while visiting my children at WSU, so no shipping involved. I got this boat because I can roll it up for storage and I hang the frame from the ceiling in the garage. I can place the partially inflated boat on two sawhorses for storage if I want to keep it inflated to dry out. I bought this boat after I floated the Ronde in my single person Assault, and worried about the thinness of the Assault's material every time I floated past a rock. And I do not like the pinned oars on the boat, in case you hang one up on a rock in the river, like I did and nearly flipped my boat. I suspect there is a niche for this NFO boat, but it is starting to get near the price of an Aire Trib with a fishing frame, in the 13 foot range, a much beefier boat.

    Wayne
     
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  2. sportsman

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    QUOTE: "At that price I'm wondering why those interested wouldn't just buy one of the many import boats (NRS Livery, Rocky mountain 10.5, etc.) and still have 2k left to outfit and knock up their own frame, or even have Catchercraft, Madcatr, Cambridge, or Recretec weld them a custom". End Quote. I do see the point you are trying to make and for some/many? people that is an avenue to explore. On the other hand, I believe most people on this site do not have the time or desire, possibly experise to build a custom raft. If anyone has looked at some of the picture I have posted, on several topics, know that I 'love' custom....anything! The Assault seems to be a very well received raft, for some nothing short of outstanding. To be able to assemble which style best suits you, or possibly build to the future as funds are available, should not be dismissed. At this point in it's very short 'life', price shopping is a waste of time. Everyone knows Dave's show prices are the norm compared to the internet page, so accurately comparing the many options available, to anything else out there, is a waste of time! One very obvious [ to me ] fact is, Dave has really raised the bar on the Assault to a [possibly]very high level and should be acknowledged for his foresight and willingness to invest a substantial amount of capital, not just to make more money, but to look to the future and imagine what could be. No one else is even close to what he see's the future could be and spending his money to make it so! The competiton should be worried, Outcast is trying to catch up 5 years late and still with a heavy raft, and still with bladders. Not to offend the WM Kodiac lovers, but it's a 25 year old design, built way too heavy[thick material] IMHO, and no one there had anything to do with it's design to begin with. To be fair, let the people who own the Assault and Kodiak weigh in. At my' older' age, I out row [speed and distance] 2 to 1, really almost 3 to 1, my buddies Kodiaks to my Renegade, and with half the effort! And from the people I know who have the Assaults, it's equal or better to the Renegade. It is the 21st Century and Dave is hands down the leading edge. Now to lay down the gauntlet: Dave Scadden, prove to your loyal following that you really can/will make it happen! Prove to 'others' that whatever has happened in the past, is really in the past, better yet a distant glim in the rear view mirror. Your vision, design and seemingly endless models[ styles/versions ] are way ahead of anyone else. Every year you raise the bar on raft design, now raise the bar on the rest of it!
     
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    This was my original question. Wayne proved my point in the post above yours. Have fun.
     
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  4. golfman44

    golfman44 5-Time Puget Sound Steelhead Guide of the Year

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    These threads always deliver. We have people like Blue who will defend Scadden to the death, we have people like Derek young making snarky comments about Scadden's while he is literally on the payroll at another inflatable boat company, and to top it off we have those who simply don't know what they are taking about (i.e. Arguing over a price point that is about 40% off).

    I feel sorry for people actually looking for useful info on these boats. Best advice I can give is to just call the companies themselves and ask questions. People at Scadden and Outcast both spent over an hour with me on the phone and made my choice clear.
     
  5. Blue

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    You are absolutely right, you can build similar yourself and you can save on money. I will agree, but note my word "similar" There is nothing else out there like the Dragonfly...yet
    I agree totally on the frame and definitely tan the idea about NRS, specially after seeing what another poster did HERE on this forum with his Assault XX.
    I also realize that by using this frame on my XX that the lean bar will be lower as I will be standing on an inflated floor (like the boats mentioned.
    I have never owned a WM or a WS, so I have no opinion good or bad. And I do make it a practice to not bash or comment something I have no experience with, there for I cannot comment on the other boats.
    I hope this "straightened" out my answer. Have a great day.
     
  6. you use beads with a fly line, your opinion cant be trusted
     
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  7. james.jimenez

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    Does anyone have an idea of the actually price of this pontoon... I dont think I know anyone who has actually paid a price for a pontoon dirrectly from the website... What is the "Special" showroom price?
     
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    golfman44 5-Time Puget Sound Steelhead Guide of the Year

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    Usually 60% of what Dave's site charges is a good starting point, and you can work down from there. I think his assault xx's are listed at 2800 when you can get them for 1500
     
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    golfman44 5-Time Puget Sound Steelhead Guide of the Year

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    You should see the fly I tied with Dan. Hoh Bo spey with about 3 lbs of thread on the front to make an egg cluster
     
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  10. Derek Young

    Derek Young Emerging Rivers Guide Services

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    I doubt I'm the only one who had that question.
     
  11. Stonefish

    Stonefish Triploid, Humpy & Seaplane Hater

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    I'm not a big fan of those types of anchor release cleats, especially in rivers.
    It wasn't pretty coming upon the end result of a unexpected release in the middle of some rapids on the Sol Duc.
    Luckily everyone made it out safely.
    SF
     
  12. Blue

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    I asked this question to Larry,k his answer was that a bunch were sold in I.F. for an introductory price of $2499.(The online photo show it with optional lean bar, action-cam pole and under-seat storage boxes. The rest is part of the package ) He also said he could extend that price for another week. So I hope that helps.
    I know many of you here are white water runners and I totally respect that. Only rivers I have access to are the Green and sections of the Snake. I would not hesitate to take any of my boats down my rivers. But, I am more a fisher than a rapids runner. I want something to get me to the honey hole, so I apparently don't look for the same features you all do.
    I see this all as healthy feedback, like the old debate Orvis, Winston, Sage or Scott. We chose what works for us and sometimes, the cost doesn't matter.
    Thanks for answering my post. It has been interesting.
     
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    golfman44 5-Time Puget Sound Steelhead Guide of the Year

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    Bit more than I thought, but you can probably haggle them down to $2300 or so. Thanks for the info.
     
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    Freestone Not to be confused with freestoneangler

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    Now that has possibilities! Add a motor mount, lean bar. Cool. Foot smaller, but might not be an issue. Getting closer.
    Similarity seems to pop up all the time with each manufacturer adding or subtracting what they see as the ultimate boat.
    Like these then and now boats:
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    I don't know, but seems they are all doing a little of it, so roll with what feels right.