NFR: And now wolves in the Teanaway drainage

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  1. generic

    generic Active Member

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    Maybe so, I haven't seen the data, but that was not my exact point. My point was simply that if wolves had always been there, hunters would have to take them into account for whatever reason. The fact that they have not been (in recent years) makes it harder to adjust for the fact that they are here now, competing for the same animal - elk.
     
  2. PT

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    I've got a very nice Steelhead print I can sell you PT. Come on over, I'll meet you in Kingston by the ferry![/QUOTE]

    I offered to buy that print. I was supposed to meet you and I'm sorry. Shove it up your ass and email me a pic. Full payment will be in the mail. Sorry I couldn't meet you but my father in law had a stroke that morning. I had to take care of his business while the family took care of him.

    This was also sent via PM.
     
  3. 206FLYFISHER

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  4. Lyle Mason

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    "I see a lot of you guys , west side urban dwellers, don't spend too much time out in the wilderness areas in Idaho, Montana and Wyoming. The wolves have decimated the many of the herds or elk, deer and especially the moose over there. I fish and hike a lot in the Clearwater in Idaho and Lolo in Montana and NW WY and the elk and deer pops are way down from there because of the re-introduction of the wolves and the banning of hunting of wolves. I talked to Game Officer there last year in the Clearwater, ID by Kelly Creek and he said he found over 80 deer, moose and elk carcasses in the Spring killed by wolves. None were eaten just killed."

    I'm from the west side, but hardly a city boy. I grew up in a small town in the Cascade foothills and have dealt with wild animals my entire life. I remember a fishing trip on the Skokomish River in the Olympic mountains several years ago. I had been fishing for a little while with no luck when a family of River Otters decided to join me. They proceeded to pull several trout out of the hole I was currently fishing on and carrying the fish to a log jam where they would eat them. I did what any country boy should do in that situation. I dropped my fishing pole and pulled out my camera. You see, I wasn't just fishing this particular river because I wanted to catch a fish. I was fishing there because I wanted to be in the wild. If I wanted to catch a stupid fat trout without any effort, I would have gone to a trout farm.

    Nobody likes change. Wolves have not been a viable part of Washington's ecosystems for longer than most of us have been alive. But you can be sure, the game animals that live here now evolved alongside wolves and the state in which their populations are currently living is not natural. Wolves are not suddenly going to destroy the ecosystems that they evolved in. But they will turn them into something they haven't been for a long time. "Wild"
     
  5. gldntrt40

    gldntrt40 Gone Fishing

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    Welcome, Lyle!
     
  6. Gary Thompson

    Gary Thompson dirty dog

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    Welcome Lyle, welcome to the madness.
    I like the idea of there being wolves and grizzly bears in the wild places I hunt and fish.
    I would kill a wolf or bear and the cougar if I felt I had to.
    The guy that rises livestock doesn't want to lose his crop, just like the apple grower who kills the deer and elk that eat his trees. The rancher will kill the wolf, bear, or big cat if he gets a chance.
    If common sense is used everything will balance out, except people. People know no balance. Just my .02
     
  7. bennysbuddy

    bennysbuddy the sultan of swing

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    Say it aint so wolfs in the teanaway, next thing you know there will be Tenkara flyfishers wading that fabled stream !!!!
     
  8. Olive bugger

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    Obviously an emotional issue and hot button for some. I doubt that anyone will sway the
    opinion of anybody else. What I thought was interesting was the comment in the article.

    "The question now is, does the state have ability to manage these wolves?" he said.
    "I guess we'll see."

    Having watched them micromanage the fishing programs in this state for years, I doubt
    that they do.
     
  9. John Bisset

    John Bisset retired to fish

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    Comemon Guys,

    Can't wait to hear the howl of the wolf while camping out. Something I haven't heard in the lower 48 in my lifetime. Being an avid elk hunter I understand the impact wolves will have on elk numbers. But hey, the challenge is the reason we love elk hunting. It will be a little harder to bring home an elk, so what? Better to focus on habitat and improved winter range than rant about the wolf.
     
  10. generic

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    I shouldn't.....

    John, think of it this way:

    You live in or near north Idaho, and love fishing for those cutties and steelhead. All of a sudden, some "naturalists" get together and decide, "Hey, you know what? Squaw fish were once more prevalent in these waters than they are now. Let's "reintroduce them, just a few though."

    Little by little, the cutty and steelie numbers go down, and those Squaw fish are starting to show up in numbers and places that they didn't use to habitat. That's the same scenario the wolves are having on the herds.

    Well that, and they are eating people. :clown:
     
  11. TallFlyGuy

    TallFlyGuy Adipossessed!

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    I think the OP has ample amounts of food and resources to support at least 500 or more grizzly bears. Lets reintroduce some large kodiak/brown bears to the OP! Seems right if they can introduce large canadian wolves here.
     
  12. John Wallace

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    There is bigfoot in the woods too, but you don't hear anyone getting up in arm's about them!
     
  13. TallFlyGuy

    TallFlyGuy Adipossessed!

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    While we are at it... I think the waters and fish below the dams can support a couple more thousand sea lions. They deserve to be there... right? Who cares if they kill a bunch of fish and reduce the salmon and steelhead run by 80%. Nature will balance it all out. Its all good. Make love not war... smoke a fatty!
     
  14. generic

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    Cause they're not eating people....duh? :clown:

    Ok, I'm done.....sorry.
     
  15. Derek Young

    Derek Young 2011 Orvis Endorsed Fly Fishing Guide Of The Year

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    Where's the proof that they aren't?