Bush administration changes to NW Forest Plan/Aquat... Well, without regulations timber companies would probably aggressively clearcut the last of the old growth forests. Is that a fair statement? That is the way it worked before and I'm sure it would continue until gone, if allowed. It probably would have happened long ago if not for regulation. Then, who is to blame for the lost timber jobs? It is no different than the commercial fishermen who have fished themselves out of a job. The first thing that would happen to the environment is the loss of a mature forest of old growth trees, DUH! Pretty simple, but I guess not everyone feels that these forests have an intrinsic value. Second, do you know what happens to rain water in a rain forest when there is no forest? I know what doesn't happen, it doesn't get sucked up into the tree. You would be amazed how much water flows through a mature tree. Without the trees, more rain water flows across the ground surface, picking up topsoil and depositing it on the bottom of rivers. Also, since loggers wouldn't leave riparian zones if they weren't forced to, the erosion would increase and valuable insect, bird, and small mammal habitat just wouldn't be there. Removing habitat is a pretty simple environmental result of unchecked logging. You don't have to be a scientist to figure that out. The responsibility falls on the timber companies to prove the extent of logging that would reduce these impacts to acceptable levels and stick to that. I don't think these "leftists" or "liberals" you describe are simply pushing "against" something. Just look at it as us pushing FOR clean streams to fish in, wildlife habitat, public lands to hunt, old growth forests to hike in, etc. Without these, what the heck would we spend our big tax cuts on? I didn't bust my hump in school and at work to sit on my butt in a big, fancy, suburban home without any place worth spending outdoors. If that day comes I'll be bitching about past leaders like Bush who ignored the common man (fishers, hunters, hikers, mtn bikers, etc.) and sold our last forests to the highest bidders to save a few jobs and so timber CEOs will go to their fund raisers. Oh, and another thing. Lumber prices are up right now. You know why? Apparently, much of it is going to rebuild Iraq. Who do we have to thank for higher house prices, again?