(NFR) Do you carry a gun while fishing?

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  1. Johnnyb

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    Do you carry a gun while fishing?

    Thanks Shane, and thanks Ibn, for your sane wisdom. Unfortunately, you appear to be in the minority on this thread. Carrying guns while fly fishing has got to be one of the most preposterous actions I can imagine. What the hell does everyone expect to encounter out there that makes having a handgun so compelling and necessary? Hell, Bhudda himself acknowledged that if he had a handgun during his encounter, it could have been far far worse for him than it was. Do you gunmen also take your handguns to Seahawks and Mariners games? Lord knows, there are plenty of crazies there who are quite willing to press their agendas.

    America is totally out of control when it's flyfishers feel they need to arm themselves.
     
  2. chadk

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    I've noticed that the times I've packed, i've actually been more responsible with my actions. The last thing I want to do it put myself in the position to use it. So I am more quick to de-escalate and walk away. For dealing with poachers and vandals and other jerks - the cell phone and camera are the wise choices. For dealing with the meth head who greats you after dark as you are packing up your gear on a remote road - well, that is up to you how you choose to handle that...

    A comment about the idea of aiming for the knee or warning shots... forget it. If you draw that gun, you should have already made up your mind that the dude needs to die - NOW. The goal is to avoid being in that position... If your brain isn't faster than your finger, you probably shouldn't be packing...

    PS - i don't pack anymore. Mainly for concerns with my kids and the logistics of keeping the gun safe and secure. But as they grow older, i'll train them to use guns safely and responsibly .
     
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    Do you carry a gun while fishing?

    Got to agree with that. It's a basic safety rule that you should never point a gun at anything you don't intend to KILL. Shooting somebody in the knee is a guaranteed trip to the slammer because they obviously weren't that big of a threat.
     
  4. Desmond Wiles

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    Do you carry a gun while fishing?

    I won't carry a gun fishing. Maybe someday, but I have never felt it necessary. So what if I hear about somebody being robbed at gunpoint by suprise while fishing. If I had a gun on me, what good would it do if he caught me by suprise anyways? And if I'm not caught by supprise, but fall under the whim of tweakers, then so be it! What are the odds of facing such a situation anyways? Precautions are important to take, but I don't think a device of somekind is necessary for every possible encounter we might face.

    I know some people who carry guns everywhere they go, and I'm fine with that... I just don't share there passion for protecting themselves. I find security in other ways. If I was in Bhuda's shoes, I don't think I would have pulled a gun on Bubba even if I had one. If it's a fist fight, then keep it that way. I'm not going to pull a gun to get myself out of a fist fight, because for one he doesn't need to die over it, and two I may be unwittingly inviting Bubba to do the same.

    I agree that times seem strange, but that's why I fish, to get away from the maddening crowd.

    -Des
     
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    Well said, Des. Somethings just are worth killing and dying over and there really is no defense against someone who intentionally plans to kill you and has the surprise element which is why serial killers are so effective. If you want to pack a weapon then fine, but it isn't for me.

    Randy
     
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    Have to say no to the gun question. I think my chances of being hurt by a crazy go up if I am carrying a weapon.
     
  7. Roper

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    Do you carry a gun while fishing?

    No.
    It's too easy to turn around if something doesn't feel right.

    My house, that's a different story... ;)
     
  8. E'burg fisher

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    Do you carry a gun while fishing?

    I carry one all day (or night) at work but not while fishing. Although I do usually carry one everywhere else I go. I strongly believe that everyone that can legally own a firearm should. Law Enforcement is reactive and there may come a time when you have no other option but to defend yourself or loved ones. If you end up in that situation and you haven't taken advantage of your right to carry/own you become what some trainers refer to as a "sheeple", at the will of others. Certainly if you cannot mentally get your mind around using deadly force and you pull out a gun it's probably going to be taken away and used against you. Predators (two legged kind) can sense weakness and sniff out a bluff very quickly.

    All that being said, using a firearm is an absolute last option. On my own time I view using a firearm as an option only when the badguy won't allow me to retreat and get my family to safety. At work it's a little different. There is a VAST amount of resources out there on training and legal preperation. I saw a quote somewhere "it's the singer not the song". Meaning a gun is simply a tool, utlimately it comes down to good decision making by the person who is holding it. I think that is best summed up "discretion is the better part of valor". Everyone has to of course make there own decision but I know I will not act brash, very wisely choose my battles, and will never be a sheeple.

    OK, off my soap box :D
     
  9. Brian Nolan

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    I'm kinda new to the board and this is my first post. I've been enjoying the forum for a while now. IMHO I find it scary that one would need to pack a sidearm fishing. I recently returned from Iraq and it was customary to pack some grenades, an AT-4, pistola, rifle and everything else I could carry , but thought that I'd left all that stuff behind when I retired from the Marines and came back to the good ole USA. Figure my feet are the best option as I can still run a sub seven minute mile.. :beer1:
     
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    Do you carry a gun while fishing?

    I pack a Springfield XD .40 cal. with Defensive ammo and 2 mags. I believe that this is the choice you do make to carry a weapon or not, just be sure you know were your rights are and were you stand on actually using the weapon. Don't carry it if your not mentally propared to take a human life. :cool:

    The law is very specific about the use of deadly force. More often then not you need to walk away from the situation, but sometimes there is no choice and you fear for your or your families safety. Or the perp is in the act of commiting a felony. Unfortunately, you can't shot someone for being an asshole otherwise they wouldn't be able to make enough ammo.

    My Please take some defensive handgun training to all that plan on packing. Check out Packing.org for training information or AR15.com for local shooting and training facilities.

    Be careful out there!

    G
     
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    I don't carry a gun while fishing though I have thought about it and may pack in the future. I think it really depends where you are fishing if it warrants a gun or not. I would feel safer if I was packing on some of my trips.

    Instead I pack some heat in Thunder(left hook) and Lightning (right hook more of haymaker) :rofl: It would be tough to defend a speeding bullet or shell but it has worked for me so far.

    One time not knowing my buddy was packing on the Yakima (come on the Yakima) of course this was off peak season and in a stretch with little traffic. He decides to be funny and caps one off from behind me was I was fishing this hole needless to say not knowing where fire was coming from as it sounded like it was coming from the thicket across the river I thought we were taking incoming fire from property owners or hunters until I heard this laughing behind me. Yeah he saw a small Lightning strike that day :ray1:
     
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    Well I was defending my rights one time and instructed by a Deputy Sheriff. To shoot to kill and then drag the victim into the house. Well I shot and missed and was sorry I did that for a long time after. It is a funny feeling knowing that you are shooting at somebody with the intent to kill. It just didn't set right with me. SO I have givin up on owning any guns. I don't like the power it gives one's self.

    Maybe in a time of war it is ok but us knowing and shooting to protect our own is something else.

    I'm not against owning guns it's just that I don't.

    Jim
     
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    Jim, when you drag the guy back into the house, you'll have to figure out how you'll explain the trail of blood coming from your driveway and leading back to the body... ;)

    If a guy is outside my house, I have my wife call 911 and I inspect with shotgun in hand. If the guy bolts and runs, fine... If a dude decides he wants to visit us IN the house, it is shoot first, ask questions later. I'm not going to sit down and chat with him about his intentions... "so listen buddy, are you just looking for some jewlery, or are you going to tie me up and rape my wife and kids?"
     
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    An interesting thread...

    I got my CPL with the intent to get a pistol to carry with me on the water, but I was thinking more for bear and cougar and the .50 caliber the bear would take seemd a little bulky (but kinda fun anyway). Then I started to hear about the 'folks' that some have run into and decided that perhaps I should concentrate on Greenlake (still want to catch one of those Tiger Muskies) and saltwater fishing.

    And then around the house I kinda like the Louisville Slugger because even if the kids get ahold of it they can't do much damage, but get that thing going 100+ mph and it'll stop somebody pretty well until the kids get a little older and we can talk guns... ;)

    wb
     
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    Do you carry a gun while fishing?

    Well, I am a gun owner and somewhat of a gun advocate. I have only carried one time while fishing & that was because I was in an area that'd had some recent problems with bears. While the "2-legged crazies" may be a real threat, I think that if you did some research, you'd probably find a lot more fishermen have been killed by the "4-legged furries". I know we all love nature, but nonetheless, bears do kill fishermen from time to time -probably more often than people do. I say this, not having done any research, but simply based on the number of bear stories & the number of human stories I've heard. I can't think of one instance where I've heard of a fisherman being killed by another person on the river. Maybe it happens all the time, but the stories never floated my way. In light of bears, it's best to go no smaller than a .41 cal in a revolver, and if you're carrying an auto you'd best step up to the 10 mil...or so the "experts" say. Me...my only pistol is a 9mil. If I face a bear, it'll have to do. I'll just have to wait till the things on top of me & unload point blank.

    In light of Bhudda's scuffle, I'm glad he stood up & don't fault him a bit. However, that scenario as I read it, didn't cause me to rethink carrying a gun on the water. The situation to me sounded very avoidable. Even after the guy came with the bottle, it doesn't say he was boxed-in with no hope of escape. In the same situation, withOUT a gun, I might have reacted the same. In the same situation WITH a gun, I would've avoided the dude at all costs, short of being killed myself. There's a difference between making a point by coming to blows (which I believe occasionally may be called for) and taking a person's life.

    While I've definitely seen some seedy characters on the river, I've always managed to steer clear & have never had to defend myself. I do carry a 6" filliet knife with me fishing, & it's not usually for filleting. The two times I've come close to unsheathing my knife have been because of dogs.

    I have no problem shooting someone in self-defence, but I don't feel so threatened on the water that it warrants packing heat. I agree with a lot of what VancouverFisher said. My dad SO instilled gun safety into me (as did the army), that I'm almost too cognizant that it's there & I never really relax completely when I'm packing. I think if a person relaxes too much with a gun on their side, I probably don't want to be fishing/hunting with them. I've banned hunting partners that were too free with where their muzzle was pointing. So like Vancouver said, I like to relax while I fish...so I normally don't pack. If I felt the need to on a certain piece of water, I'd probably find a different piece of water where I didn't feel that need.

    .....blah, blah....I'll cease from my rambling now.

    BUT, one quick question --Who actually has a tale of someone being attacked or killed while fishing?