Discussion in 'Fly Fishing Forum' started by Go Fish, Dec 14, 2012.
BTW Roper I agree 110%
I would be happy to have this conversation with you via private message. There are numerous quotes that I can show you wherein Jefferson, Franklin, Madison, Washington, etc all expressed their disdain for Christianity and organized religion.
Now wait a cottin pickin minute here. I never said who you had to pray to. Or that you had to participate in prayer at all. If a moment of silence to pray, or not to pray, to whomever you chose is allowed in public schools, that's all I'm talking about. I was under the impression that even that was no longer allowed. Hey, you want to worship a comet, or not worship anything, I don't care. Just don't go trying to make laws telling the rest of us who, what, or where we can worship.
Now as to the so called "separation of church and state", there is nowhere in the Constitution that phrase in mentioned. What is mentioned in the first amendment is "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" What part of that is beyond comprehension of anyone. So how can the Supreme Court tell us, that by any stretch of imagination, it is unconstitutional to post the ten commandments in a court room building while sitting in front of a display of the ten commandments? If that is not the height of hypocrisy, I don't know what is. Or that any religion is required by law to provide funding or services that are in conflict with it's teachings? If we are to accept any further amendments being a direct violation of the original first amendment, or any of the original Bill of rights for that matter, we may as well scrap the whole thing and become a dictatorship.
This thread's gone full retard.
You are absolutely correct. Remember the main reason the pilgrims fled Europe and settled here was to escape religious persecution. And that is why the first amendment explicitly states "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"
What exactly is your definition of full retard? It's not going your way?
I find it amusing how many Second Amendment enthusiasts can't seem to accept the First Amendment (or at least the establishment clause). Doubly amusing that the same guys are scared witless about the government getting involved in regulation of firearms but perfectly at peace with the government being in the business of religion. Not to mention the notion that none of the bad stuff would happen in this country if'n we had just kept nativity scenes, Christmas carols and state-sponsored prayer in public schools. The percentage of Americans who identfy themselves as Christians is still very high - over 70%. Doesn't seem to have made much of a difference in preventing all the carnage in this country.
Before we go any further with this thread I'm hoping someone can post the "sporting arms clause", of the 2nd Amendment, you know that part that states it is specifically about hunting arms. I can't seem to locate it, it's referenced so often here and by folks like Gov Cuomo that I'm sure it's out there somewhere. Thanks in advance.
It must suck being thin skinned, always mad at someone else. One thing I've learned though, having that mindset won't make you any happier long term, and it certainly doesn't help anyone else.
We're all stuck on this planet until the day we die. There's a version of righteousness and religion to help those around us who can't help themselves. For me that doesn't involve guns. It's actions. If that's offensive to you, or to your god, I probably won't be high fivin' you in heaven.
Did you even think about the logistics of this before posting it? Did you really think kids were not allowed bow their heads, close their eyes, fold their hands, and pray in their head?
It went from a largely constructive thread on the consequences of a tragedy to non-constructive mudslinging.
Roper for pres. and Brother Mingo for vice pres. !!! Amen to that !!!!
OK. Some of you religious gun boys can go worship your "idol" now...:
"I'm gonna protect me and mine from the bad guys. It's my right!"
+1 on that
Moderators, I think it's time...the only thing this thread is missing is an exit strategy