NFR: Squaxin Tribe Taking 1/2 My Clams

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  1. Richard Olmstead

    Richard Olmstead BigDog

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    So, let me see if I have it right.

    They've done their survey and have an estimate of how many clams are on the beach. They've set a date and have notified you of their intent to come in and harvest their legal quota. You're response is to harvest as many as you can before they show up. They will then come and harvest their quota, (not half of what remains, right?); perhaps taking the rest of what remains, if your harvest is effective.

    How, then, is your plan good for your clam population?

    D
     
  2. Alosa

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    I agree with Richard on this one. Your intent to harvest before the tribe is simply out of spite. That's the wrong reason, especially if you want to see clams in the long run. Why not be cooperative and generate some good will among your fellow man? Better yet, host a BBQ while they are there and have fresh clams. Make some friends man. What a great opportunity (if you choose to look at it this way). They are going to harvest anyways...you get more flies with honey than you do with sh!t.

    Better yet: invite the media!!
     
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  3. dryflylarry

    dryflylarry "Chasing Riseforms"

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    Break up your beach into flagged off grids. Then when they come, point them to the 50% squares they can dig in, and tell them to make sure they don't go beyond each grid square because those are YOURS!!
     
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    dryflylarry "Chasing Riseforms"

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    Apparently, they already harvested all of Squaxin Island????.....
     
  5. Go Fish

    Go Fish Language, its a virus

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    Here are few items. When they come to harvest
    they divide my beach in half and pick a side of it
    to harvest. The other half is mine to do with as
    I please. They are not allowed on my property
    and must access the beach by boat. As for me doing
    something because of spite....thats true.

    There will be one member of the tribe to oversee the
    harvest with a group of hired diggers to do the work.
    Holding a BBQ for them is quite funny. They will be
    digging as fast as they can to minimize the costs to
    the tribe so they can maximize the profit. I will be
    present when they show up just to protect my interests.
    I will be polite to the non-native diggers.

    How would you feel if you got a Certified letter (bad start)
    that said we are coming out to take what is ours and there is
    nothing you can do about it.

    That sounds real F-ing friendly. Just the kind of
    people I want to hang with.
     
  6. jimmydub

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    It's a frustrating thing to deal with, no doubt, but creating a plan of action when you're pissed off doesn't really lead to a desirable outcome down the road. Is your focus mainly on preserving your population at this point, or getting back at the tribe? Which of those things benefits you the longest?

    Pain is no fun, but resistance to pain leads to suffering. Your clams will likely suffer (as well as your blood pressure) if you decide to take the spiteful approach.
     
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  7. Richard Olmstead

    Richard Olmstead BigDog

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    Go fish -
    I don't mean to sound unsympathetic; I'd be pissed, too. The concern I expressed was for the clams. I hope for your sake and that of the clams that they don't come back next year and mark the other half for them to harvest and leave you with the one that was cleaned out this year.

    I don't have much idea about how fast clams will come back after harvest, or how completely they are able to harvest. I would hope that they have some idea about what is sustainable.

    D
     
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    dryflylarry "Chasing Riseforms"

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    Somewhat unrelated, but make sure they know what 50% means... My friend told me last week that some time ago he sold about 50% of his oysters off his beach to a non-native commercial guy. They took more than that, but he had a meeting with the guy afterward and he did some receding and apologized. Said he would never do it again. They paid him an entire $.07 per oyster for harvesting his beach!!!!
     
  9. Go Fish

    Go Fish Language, its a virus

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    Richard, I don't think (I'll find out) that the
    tribe can come back next year and take the
    other half of clams. If totally harvested it takes 3
    to 5 years for the clams to come back. My
    neighbor had all her clams harvested. I will still have
    50+ feet of beach with clams that I can use after
    they take their share.

    Jdub, I can be spiteful and still be under control,
    centered, and thoughtful. I don't keep it in, I explore
    ideas from others and look for the best solution to
    what you and others would do if placed in the same
    situation. If you wouldn't be pissed about being
    told that what you have worked to own and pay taxes
    on can be taken with no recourse then you can't
    offer any words of wisdom.

    Dave
     
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    If you're gonna stamp your feet on an open forum, I'll give my two cents. Sounds like you want a fight more than anything.
     
  11. Go Fish

    Go Fish Language, its a virus

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    I don't fight unless I can win.
     
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    Cool, I don't fight unless my life depends on it.
     
  13. jwg

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    Did the notice provide the following:

    "The notice will include the quantity of shellfish that may be taken"

    I should hope that the quantity of shellfish that can be legally harvested, based on the survey done, would be a number determined to be sustainable, and not a number that will decimate the population (not half the entire population, but half the legal harvest, the allowable harvest determined as some sustainable fraction of the population) .

    but I'm still not clear on how it really works
     
  14. Go Fish

    Go Fish Language, its a virus

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    jwg, The sustainability is not considered.
    It is just the right they have to take 1/2
    of what there is. The paper work I was sent
    is simple and to the point. We have the right to
    take half of the clams on your beach. If it destroys
    the fishery ie clammery, so be it.
     
  15. Alosa

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    Go Fish: I was kinda kidding when I suggested the BBQ and media invitation. I can sympathise with your situation, and my advice is when life gives you lemons....

    Oh, BTW, comments by others about going back to Europe if GoFish (or others) don't like it are not helpful.