Discussion in 'Fly Tying' started by Chef, Dec 1, 2010.
I call dibs if you sell your old one...
Do people really use it like it is intended?
I watched the video on the Nor-Vise website of a guy tying a green butted skunk, and my impression was there was little if any improvement in speed or ease, over a standard (nonrotating) vise.
Until my vise wore out recently, I hadn't thought about it much. Now I am trying to be open minded and consider it... Tough being old and set in my ways.
stray: I saw mumbles use it over at Big E's house and it moved great.
The Norvise is one of the best vises on the market currently, and deservedly so.
However, it is a vice that folks either love or hate with little or no in-between. Those that love it, like the folks who have chimed in here about how much they like it, would not give it up for anything. But remember what I said about folks either loving or hating it because those like myself who don't like it would never get one or if we had, we got rid of it quickly.
Those who don't like it find the "free-wheeling clutch mechanism" to be a pain because if you happen to have your hand on the counterweight to hold some material in place in order to make it do what you want it to do, it is far too easy to also move it back the little bit it takes to release the lock and put it into "free-wheeling" mode. Plus, although I use my Dyna King Barracuda at times as a true rotary vise, I mostly use the rotary function of my vise to rotate the jaws into a better position for tying something onto a fly rather than using it to spin the hook. The Norvise doesn't allow for keeping the jaw stationary at any position while leaving both hands free to make a material do what you what. You have to have your hand on the counterweight to keep the jaw from moving when the lock is off and the jaw is not at one of the detent that lock it. These are the reasons I don't like it.
Those who love it absolutely love the "free-wheeling" ability of the the vise and wouldn't be without it. And most of them don't understand whey folks like me don't like it.
As I said, people either love it or hate it. Therefore, the best thing you can do is try tying on it for an hour or so to see if you really, really like it because if you don't, you will end up being unhappy with having bought the vise.
"The Norvise doesn't allow for keeping the jaw stationary at any position while leaving both hands free to make a material do what you what."
FT, if you look at the top of the vise in the middle, there is a large friction screw. If you don't want the vise to be in "free-wheeling" mode, you simply tighten the friction screw. Then you can put the fly in any position you want with as little or as much resistance to turning as you please. Quite simple and quite effective.
Thanks for correcting me on this Rich. I haven't looked at a Norvise is 3 years and at that time there wasn't a friction screw. I even spoke to Norm about why he didn't have on on the vise some 10 years ago at a fly fishing show and he answered it was because no one was asking for it. I'm glad to hear that he has added it because as I said earlier, it is one of the best vices on the market. I'm still not going to retire my Barracuda to get one though.
Huge fan of the NorVise, couldn't be happier with it. Best to view the NorVise as a fly tying system, with the opposing post and automatic bobbins completing the package. The "self winding" bobbins provide excellent precision, and some very cool "tricks" such as wrapping a hook of any shank length from front to back with just a single spin of the vises, with the bobbin just hanging hanging in midair. Dubbing is effortless. And when you're reloading the fly box after a snaggy day on the river, nothing ties flies faster. Bought mine at the "show special" that Norm was pitching at a fly tying show.
Vices are like vises: one isn't enough to get by on.
I have a Nor, a Regal and a Renzetti Travellor. I have a long bench with a rolling office chair and
I use all three (although I use the Renzetti primarily for photographing flies, I tie on the Regal and Nor).
As far as vises: ..........well, I better not say.
I agree with all the comments so far. I am a Norvise user and use it for 99% of my fly tying. It's my favorite vise for tying. However, it did not start off that way. When I first bought it I was use to tying on Renzetti Traveler and the Norvise took some getting use to like 6 months. Once I stopped trying to use the Norvise like the Traveler and began using the Norvise like it was intended, it all came together. It will definitely improve the body construction of your flies and it will eventually speed your tying once you master the vise.
Dr Bob :ray1:
I like it so much I have two. One old large one with the screw up tension that is my travel vise. It came in a finger joined white oak box that I found in Goodwill for $29.95 and another that I bought at full price that is mounted to a black galaxy desk top ( a black granite with mica gold flecks ) Don't wait to find a Goodwill one, get it and enjoy it now. Learn to use the Norbobbin it is the only real learning curve. But so worth leaning. And NO my second one isn't for sale.
Jim - SCORE! The ultimate find for any Goodwill hunter reading this thread!
One thing about quality vise - they retain their value. If you don't like it, list it and refill the paypal account.