November on Puget Sound

Discussion in 'Saltwater' started by Jonathan Tachell, Nov 3, 2012.

  1. SeaRun Fanatic

    SeaRun Fanatic Member

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    You guys are so predictable. Continued denial and entitlement mentality. I grew up in AK and watched the small-town locals do the same crap as they whacked steelhead after steelhead because it was their right.

    I like to see a good report as much as anyone and good on Jonathan for getting out and having success. I simply believe that we need to err on the side of caution and release unclipped fish. Simple.

    I'm not sure you guys even know what a healthy run of silvers looks like. Just let's say that this year's "banner" return isn't it.
     
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  2. Nick Clayton

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    The fact of the matter is that Jonathan did not ask your opinion on the matter. I'm pretty sure if he was in some sort of moral dilema he would have stated so. He simply posted a report, nothing more. I just don't see the point of jumping in and cramming your own personal beliefs down everyone's throat.

    Your points may be valid, but if you're so concerned about it perhaps you should start your own thread instead of bashing on him when he was simply trying to share his great day on the water. In case you haven't noticed, there is a serious lack of reports in most of the other sub forums.... I believe the SW forum gets plenty of reports mostly because we don't have this type of bullshit.

    I can think of at least 6 regular's on the SW board who posted up pics of unclipped silvers this season, myself included, and nobody felt the need to jump on those posts. Why this one? I have a feeling it's because people are sitting at their computers rather than out on the water releasing native fish.
     
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    DimeBrite MA-9 Beach Stalker

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    I agree completely. For those who are worried about fly anglers keeping too many unclipped silvers you should start your own saltwater thread entitled "Fly Guys Are Killing Too Many Wild Coho". Why ruin this thread, it was a good post?

     
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    Waaah! I posted on this particular thread because the question of killing wild fish had come up, and because I already had questions about Jonathan's "harvest" mentality from the "30 dead rockfish" thread.

    As far as the lack of "this type of bullshit" on the saltwater forum, there have been plenty of examples of folks being called into question for handling/retention issues here. I think the main reason for more reports here is that most poster's keep specific spots quiet and instead just report on "MA9", etc.

    Sorry your buddy couldn't take the heat, but every time anyone posts on a DISCUSSION forum, they are asking for feedback. I have been respectful with my opinions (they are just that), so again, just deal with it. Or, there is always the ignore function; use it!
     
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    Just for you, Dime, here's some love to put the thread back on topic. Would be such a whitebread forum, if this is all there was, but hey, that's OK too, I guess!

    Nice fish Jonathan. Sounds like a great day.
     
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    Looking forward to any future reports from you... so I can bash it.
     
  7. Nick Clayton

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    Hmmm... so in your thinking, anytime anyone opens a post up it is an invitation for ANYONE to chime in and give their opinion on ANYTHING? I wonder why there is even the option of giving a new post a title. Since each post is simply an open discussion on whatever strikes each poster's fancy, I see no need to limit things by having titles. Hell, for that matter, why offer individual threads at all? Why not just have a single, large thread where we can all just converse until our hearts are content.

    Sounds to me, from your own admission, that you simply have beef with how Jonathan chooses to legally spend his free time, since your feelings from a previous post were carried over into this one. He broke not a single law, he made no demands, he asked for no opinion. He simply shared with the rest of us, who are interested in such things, the pictures and tale of his day. Period.

    Again, if you're so against this, where were you when I and others were posting pics of dead unclipped silvers? And as Dime suggested, starting your own post would be a fine way to go. But alas, I'm quite certain you will NOT do that, and instead just go door-to-door, so to speak, and cram your opinion down everyone else's throat... not unlike the Mormons who constantly show up on my porch.


    Nick
     
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    Not putting in on either side of the debate here, but just want to point out that this community can do a lot of good for each other, and can put a lot of positive effort into fixing/improving things that are wrong with our fisheries, environment, etc. But with that in mind, its probably worth picking your battles. Criticizing a report made by an enthusiastic individual who fished legally and kept a hard earned fish seems to have only divided the people on this forum, and perhaps caused some of them to leave. Seems like that effort and emotion would be better spent focused on an issue we could all agree on, like the (potentially) unattended nets that would certainly be doing a lot more harm than one legally kept fish. I'm not saying all of you need to agree with keeping fish in every situation its legal, I just think that certain critiques are going to hurt a lot more than they will help.
    If I were to challenge Jonathan to release that fish I'd have probably PM'd him with the info about the coho in the sound, and just suggest that he check it out in case it changed his outlook on keeping unclipped coho, and then congratulate him on a good day on the water.
     
  9. Stonefish

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    I sure hope nobody bonks any wild unclipped humpies next summer.....
     
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    1) I didn't start the discussion of retention on this thread, just joined in.

    2) I don't have a beef with "how Jonathan chooses to legally spend his free time", just why he doesn't want to release wild fish.

    3) I was out releasing wild fish. Right now, I'm stuck home sick so tough shit. Use the ignore button and I'll be better soon and out of you and your buddies' love-fest.

    4) Mormons. Wow. Where's Trey Parker and Matt Stone when you need 'em, eh?
     
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    I never would have thought I'd see fly fishers jump on a guy for arguing against killing wild coho. You guys are developing the same meat fisherman mentality that we see on display every chum run. If you can sit back and post, "cool fish bro" & "tasty morsel" then you're well on your way to chucking buzz bombs.

    mtskibum16- You think Ringlees a troll? In asserting this did you consider his background in marine biology, his work at WDFW or NMFS? Or that he was a mod here before working in AK this past season. None of those mean he's worthy of special respect, but when he speaks to the subject of threatened fish he does know his business.
     
  12. Nick Clayton

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    Are you effing kidding me????? If I post "cool fish bro" I am on my way to chucking buzz bombs? My god, you people are really taking this and running with it.

    I know nothing about Ringlee, and have absolutely nothing against the man/woman, and he is obviously very knowledgeable on the subject of wild coho..... However, since he opened this can of worms by stating it is illegal to remove a wild coho from the water and that has since been proven to be incorrect info, I really don't see how the background you stated is relevant.
     
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  13. porterHause

    porterHause Just call me Jon

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    When these sorts of ethical challenges come up, I often ask myself "what would Brian Boitano do?"

    I'm sure he'd bonk a fish or two...that's what Brian Boitano would do.

    Side note: I didn't catch any coho this year from the beach, but the one I bought at the fish market wasn't clipped.
     
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    I cant believe you guys have trolled a fishing report on a legally harvested fish to the point that it is going to be locked, it is a sad day.
     
  15. Mike T

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    It's the internet, don't take any of this personally. Heck, this topic comes up every few years anyhow and no one's left the forum that I can remember.

    It's pertinent to the the numbers Ringlee posted re Coho & the fact this one was "harvested". Only one guy stood up to say that was wrong, yet there's a whole chorus applauding the harvest. I never thought I'd see that here or on another flyfishing board where the members profess to be conservationists.