NW Flyfishing...part of the problem?

Discussion in 'Fly Fishing Forum' started by Piscivorous, Dec 15, 2006.

  1. flyfish_pimp

    flyfish_pimp $2 coyote steak

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    You guys are kiddin me...I can't believe that any of you guys who actually fish versus "talk about fishing" would have a real problem with a magazine, website, or person giving up a river to the general public. How do you think stream improvements happen? How does the state get involved in a hatchery or stocking program? How does a river become a top fishery?

    I can promise you that ALL of this happens when people enjoy a resource and spend MONEY to take care of it. And we all know that the only way this will happen is if the general public has a chance to experience the fishery and enjoy its rewards.

    Do you assume that all anglers (gear and fly) in WA read this magazine? Do you think that literally thousands of people will be there fishing the next time you go? Have any of you guys ever fished the S. Fork?

    Come on...if there is one thing that will kill this sport its this mentality. Why do you think so few new fly anglers get involved every year? It's pretty tough to get excited about a sport where you are going to get flamed for wanting to know where to go to catch some fish.

    Let's all remember that the biggest issue this river and all rivers face is not publicity, it's educating anglers on how to use a resource and not abuse it.
     
  2. bigtj

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    The biggest issue I have with the publisher of that magazine is he accepts a lot of articles from folks that don't really know anything about them. An article came out on the East Walker in Nevada a few years back and evidently the guy who wrote the article got a lot of his infromation second-hand. A lot of the articles I've read area similar. I just don't think there is a lot of journalistic integrity involved with that publisher. So I don't buy it nor do I read it much anymore. I see the titles on the cover in my local shop and every time I just shake my head in wonder.
     
  3. Zen Piscator

    Zen Piscator Supporting wild steelhead, gravel to gravel.

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    Don't get me started on that rag, but there are a few rivers that are off my list now thanks to it. False info and information about illegal fishing turned me off.
     
  4. papafsh

    papafsh Piscatorial predilection

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    Hey numb-asses, get a life!
    How many of you have ever even fished that river? What do you know about it except for what you read? or as one of you said "didn't read" :beathead:
    I've never been there,but it sounds interesting and I am planning to put in a whole weekend on it next year, because of that article :p (But I won't post a report here)
    By the way, did anyone mention that it is ALL catch and release? (except for coho) that the upper section is closed to protect spawners, and that it is a difficult river to dial in?
    Was this river a seceret, before the article came out?
    Good gawd! next thing you know somebody will start bitching about acticles on Argentina, New Zeland, Pass Lake, etc, etc, etc.
    Thanks, Gear Head, Flyfish Pimp, and Bill Babb, for puttin' a little sanity in this thread, the rest of you NIMBY's can go straight to Reiter!. :rolleyes:

    ;)
    LB
     
  5. otter

    otter Banned or Parked

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    To all -

    Fishporn, in the worst sense. A very horribly twisted thing to make the cash register go blingbling It's all about selling the magazine.

    Beware, as all have noted.


    otter
     
  6. Panhandle

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    Papa, you missed the point. However, some of what you say rings true.
     
  7. KerryS

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    I tried once to point you in the right direction but none will follow the trail. The author is in the fly fishing business as is the magazine. Mr. Bennett owns Pacific Fly Fishers (which is also a sponsor of this web site). Maybe the web site should refuse thier sponsorship because the owner gives up to many secret spots or maybe the web site should be shut down because to many spots are being revealed to the unworthy. Mr. Bennett is an accomplished author and I would assume an accomplished fisherman. It all make perfect sense to me. He and the other people at the magazine are making thier living by writing articles, providing guide services, instuction, and selling equipment. What some of you are suggesting is that they stop working and do what go on welfare?

    Some of you don't like them writing about certain spots. What the fuck are you? The secret spot police? Give me a break. Some of you complained about the river and its fish being endangered. Read the last paragraph of the article. The author talks of treating the river and its fish with respect and to realize it is a special river. He mentions that the steelhead population is self sustaining and the current regulations seem to be working to keep it that way.

    Some of you guys need to get out from behind the keyboard and do some actual fishing. It will do wonders for your outlook on life. Perhaps you will learn to treat others with a little more respect when they are out trying to make a living.
     
  8. Matt Burke

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    I’ve already mentioned this before, but chasing the rumor doesn’t cut it. I liken it to fishing Point no Point; catch a Coho and everyone moves over to where you are playing your fish, trying to climb in your back pocket. With the deep scouring events that have occurred on our rivers during the last flood, it’s a whole new ball game. Old runs destroyed, new ones to be found. Fish hard, fish a lot and if you aren’t wearing the felts off your boots every six months, then you are not fishing hard enough. Quit chasing the latest and greatest FAD (Fishing Area Discovery). Make your own. It is not going to change. It will only get worse and there isn’t a fucking thing you can do about it.
     
  9. gt

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    taking everything a magazine publishes as 'fact' is as funny as believing everthing that is posted right here.

    my one and only issue with these magazines is the never seem to highlight conservation or attending to the dwindling runs of fishes in the exact rivers they publish articles about. that is why i dropped my membership in TU and IGFA. after lengthy emails back and forth with folks in both organizations, it became clear they don't give a rip about the PNW and our anadramous issues.

    nice photos though!
     
  10. papafsh

    papafsh Piscatorial predilection

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    Crap Matt! now you went and ruined PNP for ever! Coho need to be allowed to reach their home river to at least make an attempt at spawning. The hordes of people who will now be raping the resource at PNP, will no doubt reduce the coho spawning runs considerably!!!!;)
    Remember what it was like at PPoint during the pink run in 2005? :beer2:

    LB
     
  11. Rob Zelk

    Rob Zelk I swing, therefore i am.

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    Both sides of the argument make good points...

    All i know is, the sauk was a freakin zoo after that last article, way more pressure was apparent... I'm surprized many haven't heard of the S. F. Toutle. It has a reputation. The river is smaller than the NF stilly though...

    I don't like the mag, i canceled my subscription, due to similar reasons aforementioned. Since i only get checked about maybe once a year by the warden, I really question where their(states) money goes... And after seeing first hand how money is squandered at state colleges, don't get me started... I'm just waiting for the mag to start naming creeks and fisheries that REALLY can't take the pressure. And the thing is they can't go on with just well known fisheries, what happens when all those are covered? Will the mag stop? Hehe... money money money money, money.......

    I understand about learning about the fisheries to protect them, but from what the publicity will bring, i doubt it will make a big of difference in "saving" the fish that swim there. If telling multitudes of willing anglers about a dwindling resource will save that resource, then I'm all for it. Until i see that happen... The jury is out and most likely not coming back. How many people will be at the conservation meetings concerning the Toutle because of this article? How many are just planning trips there and dreaming of a nice steel at their feet instead?

    Cheers,

    Rob Z.
     
  12. KerryS

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    I was waiting for this one. In the current issue of NW fly fishing the monthly conservation column is about northwest roadless areas and the attack that is on them at this time. An article about the Mount Saint Helens Mine and the threat it poses to the Green River, The Tumwater Inventoried Roadless Area, possible impacts to the Cowlitz and eventually the Columbia. There is an article about the infestation of pike into Davis Lake, California and the efforts to rid the lake of them. Past issues have featured groups such as the Wild Steelhead Coalition and efforts like the Elwa dam removal to mention a few. Of all the fly fishing rags out there NW fly fishing publishes far more on conservation, restoration, and dewindling runs then any other.

    The Sauk has been a fricking zoo for about 15 years now. It happened long before any article published in any magazine. There once was a time you could fish it and not see another fisherman all day. The reason there are more people on the rivers and streams is the simple fact the population in the Puget Sound has more then doubled in the past 20 years.
     
  13. Will Atlas

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    I think alot of guys see their values different than I do. To me, even though like I said before I dont fish the Toutle, there are ethical issues about glorifying a river with a run that is that depressed as a fishing destination. Yes people do this to make money, but for those of you that argue the whole, "spending money on a fishery, and yadda yadda, people only care if they fish it" is garbage. This has been the status quo in the NW, and guess what...ITS NOT WORKING. Native runs are dwindilng to despicably low numbers and people get pissed when I call someone out for writing an article on a fishery that has very few fish. Fly fishing is a blood sport, even if its uninteded, fish die, and when you increase the pressue on a little river like that you get lots of yahoos, who stumble into a steelhead and then either handle the fish poorly or whatever. A river with a run that depressed doesnt need the attention. Also, I am so sick of the people who say crap like "some of you guys need to loosen up and go fishing" I fish 3 times a week, so you're missing the point. The point is, the fish matter, not how much money someones gonna pay a guide to fish for them.
     
  14. gt

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    thanks kerrys, i will go take a look back at the magazine. :clown:
     
  15. Kevin J. Burnham

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    I'll give you all an update because I do fish the Toutle. I have fished it more than any other for Steelhead for the last 14 years. I will bet that I see an increase due to this article. I'm with Zen that when you have a little place that you consider your own little oasis and then you see that first major publication write about it you do get drepressed knowing that you will soon see more people. This is one of those rivers that will not take alot of people to make it a mess. Oh well looks like I'll be a getting the map out !!!