Nymphing for Steelhead...why are folks against it?

Discussion in 'Steelhead' started by jroni, Nov 12, 2009.

  1. LisaMfly

    LisaMfly "Swing Flies, Be Happy."- Write 2 Fly-Fish

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    The points I made were just like every one else. The points you made were directly aimed at me. I am no longer going to post anything on here because of you. Congratulations. You did your once a year post justice. I hope to not see negative grouchy people like you on the river.
     
  2. Steelie Mike

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    Nymphing for Steelhead

    Too lazy to write something again. You by far didn't need to nymph this year to catch fish.

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  3. Jim Ficklin

    Jim Ficklin Genuine Montana Fossil

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    I'm getting my hip-boots, bamboo rods, silk lines, Pflueger Medalists, and gut leaders out of storage. And I'm using no other fly than a Major Pitcher tied on a Herter's hook henceforth.
     
  4. Steelie Mike

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    Lisa, take everything everyone says here with a grain of salt. This is a boys dominated recreation and boys will be boys. Like Inland said, your opinions are refreshing, especially from someone who is just getting into it.
     
  5. zenzless

    zenzless Experienced Enthusiast

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    When I was a kid in Sandpoint, Idaho we used to fish dark dry flys on a dry line with fiberglass rods in a place called Sand creek that was mostly less than 2 yards wide and lined with tall grass. The Brookies were beer-barrel fat and there were a few local cutts. You couldn't really cast and soon the fly became a wet fly. This dunking technique worked great too! I still use it in some pocket water. Then when you got to the mill pond or a beaver pond on Schweitzer creek you had to back cast like mad to dry out your fly.

    No one ever told me I couldn't have fun doing that. I don't think I knew then what a steelhead was or what waders should be made out of. Denim jeans worked pretty good until I "grew up". I can still see the fish lying in a bed of grass in the bottom of the woven creel. Some times we just used a willow or alder branch for a stinger because we even ate some of those trout and char!

    I moved away and later someone dumped a load of diesel crashing at the creekside and killed the fishery for a while. Oh well, they weren't all natives of the stream, right?

    Since then I have been experimenting with all kinds of "fly fishing" and ended up with a bunch of stuff including a pontoon boat. I probably don't need any of it to live but it sure makes life more interesting at times.

    I think I might go fishing in the snow tomorrow and ride my bike to the ski hill on Sunday but that's just me.

    Does this constitute jacking the thread or does it still count?

    Addendum: You can fish nymphs as long as it is legal, some people might even do it if it isn't. It's very effective. Name calling isn't as effective as a persuasion to get people to see another point of view but people still use it all the time. I guess I am somehow entertained being relatively new to the forum. Thanks!
     
  6. Old Man

    Old Man Just an Old Man

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    What do you all call chronomid fishing. Nymphing I hope. And with an indicator no less. And some people even look down on those people. So what else is bad about nymphing.

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  7. Ed Call

    Ed Call Mumbling Moderator Staff Member

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    Rainbownater, you have been aggressive and arrogant and there is no reason for that type of conduct. You take issue with one member's opinion and lash out. Pretty weak sauce.

    If you got that fetish boot off your head you'd be able to see your nymph rig...with boot in place on your face you must rely on your jedi sense of feeling the tug.

    Amen flatwaterguides, I like your style and agree this thread is played out. When I was here last it was at five pages. One nice day fishing and I come back to see it into its eleventh page. Yawn.

    Humor is much needed here in this post, thank you master obiwan. By the way, tested out a new to me rod today...sweet.

    Speaking of the Hoh, this topic should die and we should start talking about the Hoh. Last year at the Hoh down there were nymphers and swingers sharing the same water, even from the same drift boats. We can all get along (well, the civil ones can get along).

    Good point as always Jim, be it high stick or with an indicator chironomid fishing is nymphing. Aren't chironomids a major part of a trout's diet? If they eat them, why not imitate them? Simple.

    Fish how you want but fish. I did today and had a blast. This thread is not such a blast. I pray that it inherits a padlock soon, very soon.
     
  8. fodf

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    As always..well said Ed
     
  9. Sageman

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    No, you're not dense. Not sure I presented this clearly. I don't for a second discount the fact that there is a definite technique to swinging and some people definitely develop a zen to it. I wholeheartedly agree that time spent swinging will allow you to learn subtle things that will make you more successful. My point is that I can take somebody with very basic flyfishing knowledge, get them in the river, give them a little lesson, and within a short period of time they can develop a BASIC proficiency of the technique. If I give him a nymphing rig, I will sit by him and nag him for about 2 hours and he still won't quite get it right unless it is very simple water.

    You are also correct about fishing nymphs from a boat. A good rower can take a lot of the need for technique out of nymphing. One of my firm beliefs in fishing the Yakima River is that catching fish has as much to do with the rower as it does with the guy holding the fly rod. A good rower can allow even the most inexperienced flyfisher to get a couple of fish, whereas a bad rower can make it challenging for the most accomplished jedi caster. My argument does break down a bit if you are simply nymphing on the go, this seriously reduces your need to be able to read water, although a good flyfisher will look ahead and make sure he is keeping his nymph(s) in the best water.


    As for reading water. ANY person who fishes for steelhead is going to need a basic understanding of reading water. You need to be able to walk/row/swim down a river and identify the water where you are going to be most likely to find fish. My argument is that with methodical nymphing you break down the water into much smalelr segments and need to find the specific holding spot of a fish as well as the currents that are going to affect your ability to properly present a fly to that specific spot.
     
  10. Daryle Holmstrom

    Daryle Holmstrom retiredfishak

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    You called it;)
     
  11. Nick Clayton

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    To me this is the exact kinda elitist stuff that people are complaining about. You saw 3 guys who didn't know how to spey cast and it made you barf in your mouth? Perhaps if you had offered some words of encouragement, or a tip or two, it would go a ways to change the perspective people seem to have on "elitist" swingers.
     
  12. FT

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    Anybody else notice that nearly all the folks saying nymphing is the way to go and that swingers are elitists are from the east side of the hills where folks fish for trout in rivers? Perhaps that is why they are so adamant about swingers being elitists. Afterall, eastsiders don't have fresh steelhead available to fish for in the Dec. to April winter steelhead time frame, and most of their rivers are pretty devoid of steelhead in May, June, and July as well.

    Lest we forget, nymphing for steelhead (or fishing weighted flies dead drift with or without an indicator or some kind) is not something that was just discovered in the last 15 years or so. It is something that was done as far back as the 1870's in Northern CA. If you doubt this, simply take a look into the history of fly fishing for steelhead and you will find the use of weighted flies, including nymphs was used by quite a few back then. Perhaps, just perhaps the best steelhead fly fishers of years past quit using them for steelhead because they found nymphing wasn't the best or most effective method of catching steelhead.

    Just some food for thought.
     
  13. Redsider

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    Wow, this one took off fast.

    I'll nymph for fish if the river is best suited for it, I'll even use a bobber at times (oops - strike indicator). I guess I'll never understand the "my way of fishing is better than yoiur way of fishing" mentality. I've put plugs on my Scott rod for winter steel and bahamas tarpon. I've put scent and bait on my fly a time or two, and I've swapped the real eggs at the end of my gear rod for an egg fly too.

    I like fishing. As long we obey the regs and respect each other none of the other stuff matters.
     
  14. Sageman

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    If this is this case, pull out your size 20 BWO's and dead drift them for steelhead. Everybody has a measure of quantity built in. Would you seriously spend a cold winter day swinging flies in the Skagit River if you knew there was only a single 4 pound leftover summer run in the river? somewhere.......

    My point is that I think by our nature we have chosen flyfishing because of the quality of the experience, but we all desire a certain quantity as well. In fact, one of the reasons I use so many different techniques is that each one requires a different understanding of the river and a specific technique. To me the quality in flyfishing is being able to use several different techniques. I'd go nuts if all I could do was swing all day everyday, or just nymph for that matter. There are days where swinging is all I do because I get the itch to fish that way and want to feel that take. I enjoy all the methods for different reasons, and in the end I nymph more than I use the other techniques because ultimately I like to catch fish...
     
  15. John Wallace

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    Lisa, in any sport or anything you do, you will have a couple of bad eggs or people that just like to cause problems. Fly fishing is fun and should be fun. It doen't matter how you do it or what you fish for.
    It is about getting out and having fun. It is what it means to you, no one else.
    So as a couple of ones have already said, it is great that you are hear and it would be our lost if you don't stay and keep posting.
    I for one would love to hear more about your fishing trips and question.
    Good luck fishing!
    P.S. If you have any questions you would like to ask and don't want to put it on this site please P.M. me and I will do my best to answer them.