I see your point sageman. I am new, so when I think of fly-fishing, my vision is fairly basic and based on the artistic simplicity of a beautiful cast and a serene nature of a swing for steelhead...when creek fishing- a slight flick of the line to cast the dry fly in the right spot...but in all honesty, I enjoy all aspects of fishing. I think to work harder to earn a good fish will always result in better kudos points, but ultimately, doing whatever it takes has its pros for sure. I have gear fished for bass... I have sturgeon fished... I love it all. I guess when I made my original argument against nymphing, I was just trying to create an argument. Things seem to easily get out of hand on here, so I have learned my lesson to keep my mouth shut in certain occasions.