Nymphing with spey

Discussion in 'Spey Clave' started by Patagonguy, Apr 21, 2010.

  1. Steve Bird

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    Fred: "A lot, to put it sustictly." (?)

    More vague than succinct, though, as regards my question. You've described (very well) a single nymphing technique that has been in practice since the advent of wingless flies, and performed with either single or two-handed rods. Why put a 'spey' label on it? (The Scots laugh at us for this.) I posit that, with the tackle now available, virtually any nymphing situation, top to bottom, can be met with a two-handed rod.

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  2. Steve Bird

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    Patagonguy: You are in Argentina, right? Your original question: "I would like to try with nymphs on Spey, any recc?" Are you traveling to Scotland to fish the River Spey? Are you traveling to the Pacific Northwest to fish nymphs for steelhead, so would like to learn NW steelhead techniques? You must be more specific if you really want nuanced and informed answers to your question. And a little more face-to-face with those willing to take the time to answer you might help as well.
     
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    Steven, I take your point, but lets review the original question as the above is your forth/ fifth post.

    " Nymphing with spey

    I would like to try with nymhps on Spey.
    Any recc. here? Leaders, cast, etc.etc.
    Thanks in advance.
    P"

    As the fellow isn't even here in North America, I was rather taken by the 'rude' response(s) to what was (for him and others?) a pretty straight forward question. Is the 'how' for a single hander or a two hander the same? Yup, but the initial question strongly suggested the Poster didn't know. And that to me is the hallmark of a good board. I don't care if the question is 'repetitive,' the fellow felt safe to ask ..... and was batted aside.

    What if the fellow were a youngster (no photo Avatar)? Do you think he'd come back and follow/post here? Personally, can't imagine why. Why not do a search for him and include a link or two that covers the question asked? Seems like the 'Neighborly thing to do.'

    Just my .02 cents.

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  4. Steve Bird

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    Fred: Forgive me if I have overposted. New to this forum and ignorant of the ettiquette. And certainly didn't mean to hurt anybody's feelings. I am sincerely trying to help the poster, and, in that effort, prompt a discussion on a very interesting topic. You are right about leaving a link, and I did leave contact information at an above post, should the poster, or anybody else want to dicuss it. Peace.
     
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    No worries Steve.:)

    One of the real strengths of this Fora is 'all' questions posed are taken seriously. Follow up posts (mine as an example) may add a bit of information to what's already been put up, but that a good thing. In many cases a 'Newbie' may not even know how to properly phase his/her question, but that's ok too. It may well require a follow up question so the board members can focus on the issue, but that's fine too.

    You should see/read some of the questions I pose on UK based boards vis a vis fishing for Atlantic Salmon and Sea Run trout (if you can believe, the majority of the fishing for ST is done after sun down! Can you imagine fly fishing in complete darkness?). Fellows used to tweak my nose frequently until one fellow pointed out that the closest AS was probably 3,000 some miles away or under the counter at Albertsons. The good thing is the majority of how/with what/conditions 'they' fish in are directly transferable to chasing Steelhead.

    Actually, many of my most successful Steelhead patterns are direct copies, or slight variations, of commonly used flies over in the UK. You would have loved the comments they posted when I sent a couple of guys 'full on' Intruders; they were the size of a 'dead bird.' :thumb: 99% of the Guys/Gals on those boards are folks I'd really like to meet 'face to face.' Lot's of mail has gone both (from feathers to full on fly rods) ways as several of us regularly send 'stuff' one way or the other. Not only flies, but tieing materials; amazing what they have available that not here on our side of the Pond.bawling:

    Another real strength of this Fora is the use of 'real names' for the posters. Most unusual, most unusual, but a darned good thing. Have a GREAT DAY and keep the tops of your waders above water level.:cool:

    Fred
     
  6. DoubleL

    DoubleL A guy who loves to fish

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    Nicely put Fred. You have to be one of the most prolific forum posters in the history of fly fishing and I always look for your posts on the various boards because of what you offer and how you conduct yourself.
     
  7. speyday

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    If it makes you feel better, dont call it spey fishing an indicator rig.
    Call it "indicator fishing with a long rod". There.

    Use a fast, tip action rod.
    Use airflo's speydicator line.
    Use the normal leaders and rigs on it just like a single handed rod.



    Thats it. Simple. Many folks in the GL's use these rigs.
    They offer great control, and bigger distance.
    Dont get wrapped around the axle. Go fish.
     
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    Thank you Sir.

    I try my darnest to live up to that 'Personal Code.' For I may well be the next to ask a 'say what?' question. And Lordie knows, that's the case on some of the UK boards. Sometimes it's just a question of 'we say it this way, they say it that way,' but a legit question on my part.

    Took them (over statement) a bit to get used to that, but that they did. Get 'flack' in the process? You betcha, but very few instances where someone (probably with more than a few single malts under their belt) got ... how shall we say? ... 'abusive.' Let it ride, let it ride, let them dig there own hole before I shoveled the" dirt" back on top of their head. Didn't enjoy the process, but many PM's back asking 'what took you so long?'

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  9. Runejl

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    There are probably some that have the technique of nymphing with a spey rod dialed in. And in theory I can see why a person would feel that a spey rod is advantageous, longer cast's, being able to hold more line off the water, larger mends etc.

    For me I have found it cumbersome to try and nymph with a long (spey) rod. Repeated mends, shifting rod positions and feeding line into your drift is much easier for me with a single handed rod. Usually when I nymph it is in fairly close proximity to my casting position and at an angle up stream. I then strip line in while making any necessary mends as my nymph setup drifts back down stream to me. As my nymph set up passes my casting position I will typically have a loop or two of extra line in my non casting hand, once my nymph setup passes I feed this line into the drift while continuing to mend. Spey rods are heavier and harder to manipulate, so if you only have one hand on the rod, it can be a real workout.
     
  10. stewart dee

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    A good expensive two handed rod with a very high end reel some carron line, handmade leaders and a bag of bobbers and your good to go.
     
  11. DoubleL

    DoubleL A guy who loves to fish

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    A good option is to use a long medium-fast action rod. Mystic makes a 7 wt 10' 3" rod that I am putting through the paces right now and so far it's very promising. It mends well at distance and both single-hand spey casts and overhead casts nicely. Haven't decided on a favorite line yet. In general though, you can use a standard tapered leader, my preference is to use Maxima Chameleon and make my own 9' leaders. For nymphing large flies and bobbers the stiffer Chameleon opens up a loop bit better. I'm also testing a couple of different furled leaders soon.
     
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    Very good points there Josh, very good indeed. 'Long rods,' and short casting is a 'oxymoron' in my opinion too. "Tip casting" you can do, but it's pretty awkward if your fishing at/under 30 feet (for me). That's when the single hander comes off the Jeep and back to work we go.
     
  13. speyday

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    Yes, of course.....if you are fishing short distances you have NO need for a long rod. Heck, use a 7 footer if its such short casting. The idea of a long rod here in the GLs has nothing do do with spey. It has to do with bigger casts to nymphable areas, and more control from farther away. This is done 30ft+ from a boat to super spooky fish in clear water-- or deep wading in what we consider big water. (Muskegon, Grand, Manistee, St. Joe)
     
  14. surfnfish

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    nothing wrong with a bit of much raking heresy, so here ya go..

    first off, works better with a switch rod, or your shortest spey. Best line is a heavily weight forward line like the Rio Indicator..

    On a small coastal river that just has very few swing opportunities, I use an 11' 7 wt switch over loaded with a 10 wt. Rio Steelhead Atlantic Salmon line, a leader several feet longer then actual depth, and a couple of heavily weighted nypmh or egg patterns tied onto 10# straight Maxima (tapered leaders bend more due to resistance differentials) , and then, heretical gasp, tie on a balloon indicatorabout 6" past the line/leader intersection. I can rollcast this well enough to shoot line with it, and always first cast upstream, and then throw a big loop mend as the indicator goes by, letting the flies bounce downstream ahead of the indicator..miss a lot less takes that way..

    Would rather swing from a nice gravel bar into a defined seam, but there are some very productive riversthat just aren't setup that way..
     
  15. TomB

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    I fish several small coastal rivers that are very confined and canyon-like with steep banks, bedrock ledges, and deep short pockets. I have had much success swinging flies in them and have yet to resort to bobber and egg fishing with my flyrod. Depending on water levels, either short heavy sinktips with weight flies, or floating line, long tapered leaders to weighted flies have been very effective. No need to turn your flyrod into a gear tossing machine. But, as in all things, to each their own.