Occupy Skagit Redux

Discussion in 'Steelhead' started by _WW_, Jan 14, 2013.

  1. FT

    FT Active Member

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    William,

    Couldn't have said it any better than that!
     
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  2. freestoneangler

    freestoneangler Not to be confused with Freestone

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    You certainly left no doubt. Truth is, none of us "know better". It simply comes down to personal choices based on information past, present and projected future. Much as I'd love to have C&R fisheries, I choose to err on the side of caution.

    I found Kerry's comment quite telling...casting aside unintended, negative consequences, seems shortsighted.
     
  3. _WW_

    _WW_ Geriatric Skagit Swinger

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    You also forgot to mention that Kerry is absolutly right. Each user group is responsible only for its own actions.
    I don't know who will get the last fish - I only know for certain that if there is one, who will get 50% of it.
     
  4. freestoneangler

    freestoneangler Not to be confused with Freestone

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    So if the number of fish killed increases, even if it's from an indirect consequence of having a C&R fishery, that's OK with you?
     
  5. Chris DeLeone

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    FSA - we fished and had a tribal harvest over the parents of the fish that are returning this season (a very large percentage of returning skagit fish are 2 fresh water/2 salt) that run was in the mid 2,000's - they forecast 4300 back this season because of you guessed it, good ocean conditions - if we see somewhere in the area of over 5000 fish come back - will you finally believe that a C&R fishery with the co-managers harvest does not effect the long term stability of the run. Its been hard for us to help you understand that point on a C&R fishery - what we want in the OS camp is a C&R fishery when the numbers are OVER the escapement - 6000 fish. Nobody wants or believes its responsible to fish over 2500 fish - that is not what we are looking for - if numbers are consistent over the 6000 mark, we want NOAA and the State to have a basin abundance approach to management of the PS systems and reopen the Skagit C&R fishery in February, March and April. Not the Sky, Stilly, Green or the Puyallup - just the Skagit - because the abundance is good and fishing that system then is responsible and will not hurt the long term stability of the run.
     
  6. KerryS

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    Ummmm I must have said something that someone didn't like. Let me guess; he doesn't like the idea of taking resposibilty for one's own actions. Doesn't surprise me. I doubt he would take responsibility for his own words. That is how it works for certain people. Quick to point the finger at others but unwilling to accept their own injustices.

    If you don't support Occupy Skagit don't show up. If you want to object to our position on C&R and our wish to have each river basin judged seperately show up at the commisioners meeting. If all you are interested in doing is to put people down because you don't like them or you don't agree with them, then expect to be ignored.
     
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    _WW_ Geriatric Skagit Swinger

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    With the viability of the run preserved, yes. I'm also okay with bears, otters, seals, sea lions, eagles, sharks, floods, droughts, commercial bycatch, volcanoes, and tsunamis taking some also. As long as the long term viability of the run is unaffected.

    Would you like to ask your question in yet another way?
     
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    freestoneangler Not to be confused with Freestone

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    Now that we clearly know what's most important to some... by all means, occupy and fish away boy's.
     
  9. inland

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    Wow I hope you have a good insurance policy to cover your glass house with all the rocks you like to hurl from your perfect perch. I am all about the fishing. Not the least guilty about it either.
     
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  11. Charles Sullivan

    Charles Sullivan dreaming through the come down

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    The natives are in charge of their own thing for sure.

    It's silly to get so worked up about hem netting the late part of the run when the damage they do to the early run may be more damaging. All in the name of fishing for $1,000 per fish hatchery fish.

    The natives kill far more wild fish than any other entity. This is the case regardless of whether therre is a C&R season. The natives will always use up their impacts, either early in the season, late in the season, fishing for springers or "sockeye" fishing, they will kill their paper fish. I don't see whaere a C?&R fishery changes this. They'll figure out the amount of fish they can kill and kill them. Nets killing nates in March and April should only reduce the number of nets killing nates in May and June and December and January and February.......

    The point is that hey'll use their impacts one way or another. Whether there is a C&R fishery won't change this. If there is a season for us it can only be because there are expected to be harvestable fish for the natives as well. They already harvested the fish they could this year. Nates died in their nets while they netted for hatchery fish.

    T\I would also contend that the NA take of wild fish in nets that are supposed to be for hatchery fish is not the responsibilty of people who hook and line fish for steelhead prior to Jan. 31 or Feb. 15 .

    Go Sox,
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  12. Bob Triggs

    Bob Triggs Stop Killing Wild Steelhead!

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    I see catch and release fishing as the last stop in management of a run of wild fish. I don't think it is a good recovery tool once we have gone too far. So to me that is the most important criteria: Can the fish, numbers of fish, sustain being caught and released with any regularity without threatening their spawning success? If the answer is a qualified yes, with solid scientific evidence to back it up, then why not open the fishery to catch and release? Selective gear rules work. http://olympicpeninsulaflyfishing.blogspot.com
     
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    Chris Johnson Member: Native Fish Society

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    _WW_ Geriatric Skagit Swinger

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    So...I'm doing a little research on catch and release education and somehow find this:
    New BC statistics show sport fishing gets the best return on fisheries resources

    The first paragraph; (bold type and underline by me)
    British Columbia's recreational fishery is worth as much to the provincial economy as commercial fishing, aquaculture and fish processing combined, according to a new report from BC Stats.

    I know this is in BC, can Washington be much different?
    Isn' their aquaculture businees much larger than ours?