Occupy Skagit Redux

Discussion in 'Steelhead' started by _WW_, Jan 14, 2013.

  1. KerryS

    KerryS Ignored Member

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    I have mentioned to a couple of you before about the forum's ignore feature. You really should try using it. This forum has become a much more enjoyable place for me because of the ignore feature.
     
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  2. freestoneangler

    freestoneangler Not to be confused with Freestone

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    Proper choice for those who cannot deal with alternate or opposing points of view.
     
  3. cuponoodle breakfast

    cuponoodle breakfast la flama blanca

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    Some rivers would be a nightmare if they were the only one open in the region.
    I'm on the fence about the protest until I learn more details.
     
  4. Chris DeLeone

    Chris DeLeone Active Member

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    It wouldn't be any worse then it was in 06, 07, 08 or 09 and remember people have to "work" for Skagit and Sauk fish - they don't come easy.

    you will see more details in the coming weeks -
     
  5. HauntedByWaters

    HauntedByWaters Active Member

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    Don't over think this event if you are one of those people that over think stuff.

    This event is to show the world that our community exists, nothing complex.

    We will be practice casting for f'n sakes.....
     
  6. Ed Call

    Ed Call Mumbling Moderator Staff Member

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    For the record, let's not confuse members Freestone Angler and Freestone. Each deserves individual consideration for their comments.

    Also, this them read is about some folks wanti g to be seen and be heard. They are not attempting to make anyone join them. Take a step back, reel fresh your perspective. Participate or dont, but keep the discussion on target.
     
  7. freestoneangler

    freestoneangler Not to be confused with Freestone

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    Have I mentioned anything that was not about this event or its purpose?
     
  8. Ed Call

    Ed Call Mumbling Moderator Staff Member

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    Nope. Will you be? I think this is a nice grassroots display of the power of people to meet and show those making the rules that some rules should be reconsidered.
     
  9. Charles Sullivan

    Charles Sullivan dreaming through the come down

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    If the sought after C&R fishery adds any level of risk to wild fish recovery...how is this action justified? -FSA

    Is it fair to say that the reason there is currently no C&R fishery is because it has been determined by WDFW that the benefits do not outweigh the risk? I should think most on this forum would want to take a very conservative position on this...and forgo the desire to fulfill personal benefit.FSA

    There is a lot more benefits to having a fishing season than than simply fulfilling a personal agenda."- FSA

    If not for personal or financial gain, what might the benefits be? I think anyone supporting this event should be prepared to answer these questions...certainly something an impartial investigative journalist should ask.- FSA

    The questions are only stupid to someone like yourself who clearly cannot provide an answer and likes to attempt to shout down others with differing opinions (keyword here Charles, opinions). Not having a C&R fishery clearly reduces impact to the fishery; to argue otherwise simply means you support the cause for benefits that are not in the best interest of the fish.

    Stop trying to be a big shot, blowhard and maybe some might take you seriously. -FSA

    Charles Sullivan said:
    Freestone, I have had disagreements with many of those who post on these mangement threads regularly. SG, Bellows, DeLeone, Johnson, Smalma etc. I have different positions on topics with them often. It doesn't turn into a pissing match. Why only you?​
    Go Sox,​
    cds​
    Go back to your first response to my post and you might see the answer to your question. FSA
    Freestoneangler
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    I have put all your words on this thread and a few of mine above. My reply:There is no risk of wild fish recovery from a C&R fishery. The best available science indicates so as stated by me, Dele et al. OS is abouted allowing C&R whwen run sizes exceed escapement floors. In short ,the justification is that it does not add any risk of recovery.

    As far as your "first response" answering my question:"Freestone, I have had disagreements with many of those who post on these mangement threads regularly. SG, Bellows, DeLeone, Johnson, Smalma etc. I have different positions on topics with them often. It doesn't turn into a pissing match. Why only you?" Bellows has made the case in the past that C&R season may effect spawning success. I don't agree, but he doesn't lie like you do. I respect his position.

    In the past Smalma and I have disagreed about what the potential and actual impact of hatchery winter steelhead are on wild fish escapements. I respect Smalma, as he has not lied about my position and uses the best available science as he sees it. This equals no pissing match. Want me to continue?

    At the end of the day it's about integrity, honesty, and doing you homework/ showing your work. Life would be easier if I ignored you as KS has. However, I have this overwhelming love for honest and best available science.Go Sox,cds
    Go Sox,
    cds
     
  10. Charles Sullivan

    Charles Sullivan dreaming through the come down

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    BTW- NIce to see HBW back. Welcome back!

    Go Sox,
    cds
     
  11. Freestone

    Freestone Not to be confused with freestoneangler

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    Thank you, Ed!!! I was starting to think about changing my name so as to avoid the confusion...
     
  12. Chris Bellows

    Chris Bellows Your Preferred WFF Poster

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    i support occupy skagit for more than just spreading fishing pressure from the area i live in.

    i had the pleasure of fishing the skagit for around ten total days in the late 90's. i never touched a steelhead but i have fond memories of floating and swinging flies through such beautiful water.

    the skagit cuts a huge swath in the history of fly fishing for winter steelhead. many of the lines, flies, and techniques we use throughout the west were born in the broad runs of the skagit river. our sport is richer because of the skagit and the fishermen who called it home every winter. age and time can take many of the fishermen away from the rivers, but losing the rivers creates a much larger hole in the sport as it stops the historical connection of our and future generations from those who preceded us. i've felt a timeless bond when i've fished waters steeped in tradition and that connection to our past has been taken away from all of us with these closures.
     
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  13. _WW_

    _WW_ Fishes with Wolves

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    We have been having several parallel discussions on the forum that directly address your very concern. Go back and read them, more importantly, read the studies and the ESA decision that are linked to in those threads. The short answer to your question: The Skagit Basin in and of itself is not in need of recovery. It never was. It's simply a case of the feds throwing the baby out with the bathwater. The Skagit was lumped in with depressed rivers because of its geographical location even though the decision itself described the runs as "relatively large" and acknowledged the co-managers decision to reduce the escapement goal after re-thinking the carrying capacity of the system.
    No, that is not fair. There is no C&R season on the Skagit because there is no provision in the decision to open a single healthy river. None of them in Puget Sound, from the Elwah to the Nooksak will open for a C&R over wild fish until a significant number of them 'recover'...and even then the decision is ambiguous. This is what we would like to change.
    I cannot answer why other men choose to fish. I do it because it pleases me.
    Which 'margins' are you refering to? And in case you failed to notice, we have NOT been operating. :)
    C&R fishing is just about as conservative as you can get.
    This is exactly what we are doing in what we consider a seperate, but parallel action. We are attempting to get a block of time at a commissioners meeting to present our position. Once we know when that date will be, we plan to put out the call to get you to attend in support.
     
  14. KerryS

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    Yes, it is good to see him post again. FYI; that is HBW in the Occupy Skagit Facebook page photo.
     
  15. HauntedByWaters

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    Thanks guys. I came back because I wanted to voice my support for this event and say that I will be there.

    At this point I am thinking a long rod with full floater and some yarn to pretend fish with for the day.

    I would be wary of throwing anything more complex even without a hook for fear of getting a ticket for harassing fish.
     
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