Occupy Skagit

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  1. KerryS

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    Sometimes you need to dump a little tea into the harbor to get some attention.
     
  2. Charles Sullivan

    Charles Sullivan dreaming through the come down

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    I'll bring beer.

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  3. Jim Darden

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    my buddy bill and I nearly created a crime wave when we went practice casting on the Nooksack. I was surprised at how many calls the WDFW officer got. He finally figured it out when he heard we were fly fishing with the water running over the banks with pure chocalate water. Next time I'll call WDFW......However, I'm getting excited at the current "occupy" movement; maybe we should assemble in large numbers to fish (without hooks) on closed rivers to draw attention to our plight. We could storm the local towns, break some windows and burn some bars just to exercise our "fredom of speech".....could make for an interesting day during the closed season....what do you guys think???? ;)
     
  4. KerryS

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    I don't see anywhere in this thread the suggestion of vandilism or destruction of property. Why do you suggest it now? I think it is stupid.
     
  5. Nooksack Mac

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    Jim Darden, who I know to be a sensible solid citizen, speaks with tongue in cheek. But it raises interesting issues: how should one conduct a protest against an agency whose efforts most of us respect? If we cut too wide a swath, it's like protesting school policies by harassing that nice, hard-working fifth grade teacher. OTOH, a polite, orderly protest is an oxymoron. We want to make some people nervous and uncomfortable: the placid time-servers who'd not be disturbed if the last fish in Washington went extinct, as long as their jobs remain intact and fully funded; the fat cats who are in thrall to a hundred commercial fishermen, while unimpressed by the suffering of a hundred thousand dedicated sports anglers; the legally tongue-tied, whose first impulse is always "No! We couldn't do that - it would conflict with Federal policy!"

    Democracies pay attention to protest, and eventually respond to some extent; brittle autocracies like Syria can't distinguish between mild public complaint and armed rebellion. Let's figure out how to protest smartly. No bricks, but perhaps custard pies. If we can't speak up for what we cherish, we sort of deserve to lose it, year by year.
     
  6. golfman65

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    Interesting thought....

    on that note, I got nothing to do this sat. (tomorrow)
    don't feel like heading up north again, though I bet kerry would
    like what I was catching...(cutties taking dries)

    So if I wanted to do some practice on the skagit lets say...I call fish and game and tell them that's what I am planning on doing?

    Anyone else looking to kill some time and maybe do a bit of exploring for the upcoming season?
     
  7. Jim Darden

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    hey guys....Mac is right...note the smiley face, it was in jest.....
     
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    Most all the "Occupy" events have involved vandalism. Most of the fishermen I know are of the wrong political persuasion and hold private ownership in too high regard to get involved in vandalism.
     
  9. Chris Johnson

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    The people who are doing the vandalism are the black block ( anarcists), who hide their faces when they protest, they are not part of the occupy movement.

    I think a fish in would be a great idea, not just on the Skagit but on every P.S. river that was closed early. It would have to be publicized and coordinated to get some attention and have any effect.
     
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    "Most all the "Occupy" events have involved vandalism. Most of the fishermen I know are of the wrong political persuasion and hold private ownership in too high regard to get involved in vandalism."

    True Dat! I'm an Independant, a progressive, an NRA member, and a subscriber to The Economist, Foreign Affairs, Foreign Policy, and Mother Jones, and I support all of the above! The overwhelming majority of "potitical persuasions" reject vandalism and support private ownership. To assume that such is the sole provenance of any one group or party would be an oversimplified analysis of a complex political landscape. In this country, citizens can and do choose to "occupy" without violence and/or vandalism.
     
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    So when is the date for "Occupy Skagit?" I may need to do some planning.
     
  12. Chris Johnson

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    I like Charles Sullivan's suggestion of 4-20, has a nice ring to it.
     
  13. Chris DeLeone

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    I think we should wait until 2014 to have a "fish In" with the return numbers low in 2009 (somewhere in the 2125 range) those fish would be coming back in 2013 - we need to see where the nunbers are for that run of fish. I fully support a CnR fishery and don't agree with NOAA, the State and most of our eco-fish groups that closing down the CnR fishery is the answer - but fishing when returns are low is not in the best interest of the fish. So if we see a return of 5,000 to 7,000 fish in 2013 - then we have some room to talk about reopening the Skagit. Just my thoughts - but if the fish in is next year, than its next year and I WILL BEL THERE!!
     
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    Thread has been cleaned up. Back on topic.
     
  15. _WW_

    _WW_ Fishes with Wolves

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    Occupy Skagit

    I started this thread as more of an exploratory venture, something to gauge interest and attitudes about the concept of a peaceful plea for, I don't know, maybe public recognition of something that was once great but is now lost. So far lots of good stuff has surfaced. As Kerry observed, if 2 people participate then it doesn't get noticed. If 200, 250, 300, or more do it then it has a chance to become an event that gets noticed. And if it gets noticed, then perhaps, just maybe, something will change.

    I have no illusions that 100 fly fisherman 'complaining' in public will carry the same weight as 100 commercial fisherman with an agency mandated to “to maintain the economic well-being and stability of the fishing industry in the state” but only required to “attempt to maximize the public recreational game fishing” <----- That last part right there...that's us folks. We are not getting “maintained” we are just getting “attempted” ... or as my pappy used to say, “We suckin' that 'hind titty boy!”

    Anyway, enough of all that same old news that everyone knows. Let's try to move ahead with the topic of conversation.

    Which is - Occupy Skagit.
    What is it? A peaceful gathering.
    Why is it? A chance to say something while we pretend to fish.
    When is it? Probably April 20th 2013
    Where is it? Duh....

    Important things to know:

    The date was not chosen to coincide with any “dope event” “beer fest” “astronomical alignment” or “UFO Arrival” It was chosen because it is a Saturday in late April and hopefully the weather will be nice...but if you must find some deeper meaning then consider that it's close to Earth day which is also my birthday :)

    This is not a “Fish In” In all likelihood the river will be closed and if you tie on a hook you may be charged with poaching and receive a free ride in an enforcement vehicle. I will not be fishing in any way, shape, or form. I plan to have no hooks on my person or in my vehicle. My plan is to test the durability and airflow dynamics of various materials as they relate primarily to the double and single spey cast in a real world situation.

    Bring your waders. This is not a lawn event.

    How to do it. Show up, suit up, walk in to your favorite spot and pretend to fish. Be sure to wave, smile, and generally be friendly to everyone you might see. You know, have fun! Then go to another spot and do it again...just like real fishing. :)

    Respect private property at all times.
     
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