Occupy the Klickitat?

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  1. Klickrolf

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    As many or you know the Klickitat has a stong run of wild winter steelhead but we don't get to fish them. Many local and semi-locals fish them while supposedly fishing for whitefish. There are also plenty of hatchery summer run fish that remain and should be removed prior to spawning.

    The Occupy Skagit threads got me thinking and I can't see any reason the Klickitat shouldn't be open for C&R fishing with a mandatory hatchery harvest and single barbless, baitless hook fishery during the winter.

    Hope to hear your thoughts on this and how it might be pushed forward. The Klickitat is not particulary conducive to winter fishing but there are times when the water is good and flows are reasonably fishable.
     
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    Maybe WDFW calculates that the allowable "take" of listed steelhead has been reached by the time the winter season would kick in. In some cases it just looks like "closed" is the easiest management alternative. My personal view is that water should be open to fishing, even if it means using some complicated regulations, unless there is a clear conservation reason for it not being open.

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    jake-e-boy sans caféine

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    I'll occupy the klick with ya, since I moved so far away from the skagit and need more swinging water! Could we technically swing it now though? For "whitefish" and then once Tuesday hits for steel on the lower stretch?

    Edit: sorry suck at reading. Is the run done by April and that's why it opens again?
     
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    I couldn't agree with you more. Trouble here is poaching would likely go crazy, but a little enforcement and reasonable regs could address the issue.
     
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    The "Run" never ends here, 12 months of the year, some better than others but fish come throughout the year.

    There's no swinging water below fisher hill bridge unless you're the only one of very few fisherman present. You can swing anywhere you like until Mar 31 with a size 14 hook (not sure if it has to be barbless, that's a new reg I haven't looked into for whitefish).
     
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    So are you saying open year round or closes for a while then reopens?

    I'm happy to let her rest especially if we avoid downstream fish that might come back as big moe.
     
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    jake-e-boy sans caféine

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    I understand summer runs being in the river 365 but was referring to the winter runs
     
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    Don't see a reason to close it exept maybe upriver. Say closed from Leidl up. Very little in mainstem spawing below Leidl. Good to get your input Yard Sale!
     
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    The wild winter run is probably stonger than the wild summer run. Can't prove it but think the tribe has data that would.
     
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    I could see it if we could trade off some of the fall pressure. Maybe a permit system or a boat fishing ban but a longer season. Gotta be a trade off though, this run gets pounded enough.
     
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    The data source I'm looking at shows you'd be fishing for about 15 fish. Sounds fun, especially since I know your winters are so balmy.
     
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    The winter run doesn't get pounded at all, it doesn't get fished except for the whitefish guys, few and far between.

    JesseC, 15 might be close but I was thinking more like 16. Don't know of your data source but confidently can suggest it's a little low.

    The new ladder trap is normally left open in the winter, fish swim through and are not counted unless the trap is being used. Most steelhead swim up and over Lyle falls, they don't use the ladder and don't get counted...those that use the ladder when the trap is not utilized swim right on through and are not counted. It's open in the winter and no fish are counted. Check the numbers and dates here http://www.ykfp.org/klickitat/Data_lyleadulttrap.htm
     
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    hydrological beads are NOT flies and snagging is just ghetto

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    this.
    i would buy a wash. license again for this.
     
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    Klickroff -
    Don't know much about the Klickitat and a brief search of some of normal sources of info didn't produce much.

    Do you know what portion of the winter run uses the ladder (total run size)? What is the winter escapement goal? What have recent escapements been? What is the allowable ESA "take" imapcts? and What have those impacts been in recent years?

    For your idea to gain much traction I suspect that some of that info will be needed.

    Curt
     
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    Thanks for chiming in Curt. If my recollection is correct somewhere around 25 to 30% use the ladder...but that of course is very flow dependant and winter flows "likely" make passage over the falls much easier so I'd assume fewer use the ladder in the winter.

    I don't think the YKFP or WDFW do much research on the winter fish...I've never heard of "winter escapement goals" on the Klickitat. The fishery is closed from Dec 1 though May 30. There are plenty of steelhead caught in the winter (whitefish fishery with size 14 or smaller hook restriction).

    If you check the link I provided above you'd see no data for 2014 at lyle falls fishway and the data pretty much dies as December 1 rolls around.

    There was a study done in Feb. 2000 or 2001 with WDFW, An experimental fishery looking for adfluvial bull trout. Six or so(?) boats once a week from Leidl to Pitt (1 boat per section) for 4 weeks and I caught more steelhead than I normally do in the summer. Never got skunked, and all I did was swing flies. Most other participants were using salmon smolts for bait or throwing spinners.

    I know the idea of extending the season here has been tossed around and presented to WDFW in the past but I think the YKFP has squashed it based on "not enough data to support it."