Ok this is cheap but I gotta.....

You have to know when to walk away. I'd give all of my gear to spend one more day fishing with my dad. I started with nothing and I can't atke it with when I go but in the meantime, I like to buy good equipment. I might save money for a year just to buy one rod but in the end, I love the rod and fish it. Be happy with what you have and savor the time you have with your dad. Don't bother with the other because it's not worth the waste of time.


Active Member
Andy, there are gear whores in every sport and endeavor. I think it is who we are as a nation. We buy shit we don't need then upgrade and when we discover we didn't need it in the first place we rent a storage building to keep it in. Just amazing.

Everyone I fish with has better gear than me-everyone. I don't tend to notice other guys gear unless they show up with a reel that has the bling of an alloy wheel on a show car. I have a hunch fish might notice that too. The thing that really matters in fly fishing is the terminal piece of gear-the fly. What, 2 or 3 bucks at the most? How it is presented and the knowledge to know when to present it doesn't come with high end gear. Only time on the water can develop the body of knowledge necessary to be successful.

I learned this lesson as a young man living in Bermuda. I was photographing constantly and working in the darkroom often and was getting pretty good. And spending any spare bucks I had on equipment. I heard about a little old lady on the island that was famous for her photographs and went over to see her. She had pictures hanging in Grand Central Station in NYC that Kodak had blown up to billboard size. I was stunned at her equipment. She had a single old rangefinder Kodak 35mm camera in a well worn leather case. That's it-no flash,no macro, no telephoto-just the old camera and some very slow Kodachrome film. Her success was in her eye and her brain, not the equipment she used. She loved flowers and shared that love with thousands through the lens of that old camera.

It is the same in fly fishing. A good fly fisherman could buy a $79 combo outfit at Walmart and go catch fish on it. You can give a numb-ass wannabee $2K worth of gear and there is no guarantee he will catch fish. It is a case where skill can trump quality.


Upton O

Blind hog fisherman
Hell Andy, I prove what IveofIone said in his last paragraph every time I go fishing. I'm the wannabe guy. I remember watching a couple of good ol' boys down south demonstrate great shooting on a skeet range. These two guys were shooting their Remington pump 870's and the rest of the shooters (me included) were shooting O/U skeet guns. We got our butts kicked. And it was their first time shooting on a registered skeet range. I actually love these lessons in humility, they keep a guy grounded and teachable.

Charlie S

Confrimed Reprobate
I didn't start out with expensive gear but I started making rods when I was 9 and haven't stopped yet. I have some really nice equipment although I refuse to spend maxi dollars on reels. I like the better lines because they cast better, for me, and seem to stand up better. To express anything but friendship when someone comes up and is friendly would be classed, IMHO, as the person being an all round bigot. Glad you caught the fish but I think I would have had enough satisfaction in doing so without even worrying about if flatulation face saw the results. Keep at it, hope to see you on the water one day.
Most of my rods are built by myself mainly due to funds but over the years I come to realize that I wouldn't trade any of my gear for the store bought stuff, I've used sage, Winston, tfo and redington banks, even three bamboo rods, turned my own handles as well. Been shunned by some of the guys I encounter but to me it's sad that some folks put more stock into what they have or can afford rather than learning how to better the sport. I really get alot of looks when I float my old 1976 lavro drift boat on the klickitat, Cowlitz or the Yakima, but growing up in this area makes all the better knowing that I've fished long before some of the elitist and back when it wasn't the vogue thing to flyfish and the prices were reasonable. And given the opportunity I'll show anyone what I'm doing to catch fish regardless of the equipment they use, but it is comical to see some of the guys with all the latest and greatest gear and gadgets, kind of like they just stepped of a page of the latest flyfishing catalog. Oh and new gear is coming out for next year and I'm always looking for deal on slightly used outdated gear. Take a kid fishing that always puts things in prospective as they have fun fishing not worrying about what they are using, hmmmm
I started with low priced gear and felt the same as you about it. You don't need to spend a ton of money to catch fish. I have some higher end stuff now that makes it easier to make that long cast but all the same it is not the fly rod and reel that outsmarts a fish.
Hey Andy, you hit it on the head! ASSCLOWN for sure! That's funny!...the fish don't care what kind of gear you have. That's a good lesson to show your kid that it doesn't cost a fortune to have fun. :thumb:
Can not say anything more than what others have said. Many of us have been in the same shoes as you and it feels good when you can assist others (assjacks) that it is not the equipment you use but how you use your equipment. My brother and I never had the greatest equipment growing up, but damn did we catch fish. I loved going to the fly fishing shows when they came into town, just so I could pick up that Orvis or what ever was the upcoming rod for that year. But I knew at the end of the day, I was coming home to my old beat up cortland crown fiberglass and rimfly fly reel with a 10 dollar line. But you know what? I could cast that thing just like that Orvis, maybe not as far, but still had tight loops and caught many fish. For a long time, I fished with rods which were of off brands, one because it was all I could afford, two, I could cast them just as good as a $600 Sage, Winston, Scott. I have taken a step back myself and have went back to those older rods of yesteryear and am enjoying myself more and more.

For the assjack you met, well just shake your head up and down, smile and look right through him. People like that just show others how stupid they really are. Remember, stupid is what stupid does! There is tons of equipment out there at a great price. Learn to cast it, have fun and spend time with your family. It does not get any better than that.

PNW Washingtonian at heart, forced to live in Indiana
Nice little read...don't worry about coming off the wrong way.

It's funny, I run into these types of folks all the time out on the Deschutes. In fact just the other day, I was out fishing my "flimsy" little glass rod (it's actually quite nice...one of the nicer rods I own), wearing my Metallica soccer jersey (VERY comfortable in warm, muggy weather), wearing my crappy waist-high waders that have more patches in them than anything I've ever seen, using my "fishing" bag (a converted hiking waist pack), & wearing my "dry fly box" on my Full Sail bucket hat. I definitely got more than my fair share of odd looks walking down the trail....these same folks are the ones out there pulling fish off of redds and tell you to f*ck off when you inform them of the damage they are doing to future generations.

I also have found that the folks who are throwing gear seem to be much less elitist (at least there's a smaller percentage of them) as I've been finding out while learning about the smallie fishery out on the Columbia River...just my observation

either way, glad you and your pops got into some fish, especially with that "assclown" watching...


Scott Behn

Active Member
Well Andy your gear is more expensive then mine....haha!!! I think the biggest difference with flyfishing vs. gear fishing is I've noticed over the years that when you look into a fly fishing mag you'll see more about gear then fishing, but when you read non-fly fishing mags very little about gear and more about techniques and fishing!!!! I get asked all the time why am I fishing for salmon/steelhead with a 40+ year old glass rod and clicker reel...I chuckle and turn!!!
O.K. Andy you have chapped my hide and my hide is pretty tough.
Here's the bet.
I bet you my $100.00 set up for your $300.00 setup that I can catch more fish than you with my cheaper gear.
"it's not how you hold your rod, it's how you hold your mouth"
Dude, i see this kinda thing all the time.
The guy with a $1000.00 plus outfit can't buy a fish, when the good ole boys with the closeout specials are catching till their arms fall off.
Good rant, I like it.
Come fish with me, I'll school ya.