Okanagan grouse hunter killed

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  1. tkww

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    And if you dig a little deeper, you'll find they probably all had hard liquor before too. And beer before that. And (usually breast) milk before that. Should they all be illegal too, as gateway substances?

    Alas, if only we lived in the land of the free.

    Really? It was the weed that got them in trouble in the jungle? And the heroin was....what exactly? Was it necessary to soothe their nerves after one too many hits of thai stick?

    I fully support your right to stipulate that. I just wish the freedom of the opposite--welcome on mine--was as much a reality.
     
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  2. zen leecher aka bill w

    zen leecher aka bill w born to work, forced to fish

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    Just because MJ is legal that still won't help much with work related drug tests especially with federal jobs or jobs that have federal contracts.

    I'm in line with Alex on this. Nothing good will come from drug use.
     
  3. Alex MacDonald

    Alex MacDonald Dr. of Doomology

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    TKWW-give me a fucking break. First I'm taking some real umbrage to your land of the free comment. I, and my brothers, put our asses on the line almost 450 combat days in two tours so you're allowed to spew that shit. I left a lot of my brothers on that fucking wall, and I NEVER saw any heroin use there, either. You did? You were there? Or are you just going by what some shithead told you was "going on". Dope didn't get the draftees in trouble, it got them dead. I don't give a rat's ass if they "started" with breast milk. The point is, that they got into drugs with weed. And its still illegal in every country on the planet; some just turn a blind eye to it.

    As far as who gets to come on my property, I'm glad you "support" my right to say who, but be clear: I don't "stipulate", I enforce. And my targeting envelope opens at around a thousand meters, maybe a little more depending on how conditions influence 180 grains of Hornaday SST BTHP match at 3200fps.
     
  4. freestoneangler

    freestoneangler Not to be confused with Freestone

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    There is a big difference between recreational drugs and drugs developed to remedy health related problems. Both can lead to problems if misused. I have no issue with the use of marijuana prescribed by a doctor for health related benefit. My point is that there is major hypocrisy in a society that makes it legal to use drugs for non-medical use while also spending tax money telling people not to use them and incurring costs for treatment of those that do. What's next legalized paint sniffing? It sends the wrong message and will only increase the likelihood more start toking and end up as problem users.

    Lastly, your comments and position on this are helping me understand why you have problems discerning the difference between a "steaming pile" and fact based statements.

    Now back to the original thread...
     
  5. tkww

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    Well so far so good, so long as you understand that Mary is the former and not the latter, including all of the strains available today. The "medical" purposes and strains available for "medical" purposes are ex post facto of the recreational use. If you think there's something available today--strain or potency-wise--because of the "medical" community that wasn't available before the widespread passages of medicinal pot, you are mistaken.

    Oh boy. And here we go again. So it's completely ridiculous that tobacco is legal too, right? And alcohol? Talk about hypocrisy. Our societal stance on tobacco can't hold a candle to the stance on pot. But more to the point: can you point me to the treatment costs for using marijuana, please? Really, I'm dying to know. (And no, $2.99 for some fritos at the corner store doesn't count. I'm talking about actual treatment costs for smoking weed.)

    If you want to get right down to it, in the land of the free, in a country founded with the intention of liberty and pursuit of happiness for it's residents, frankly it all ought to be legal.

    Oh, the "problem users." And how do you define those? Now we're starting to get to the fun part.

    Medical treatment for marijuana use, and I'm the one have trouble discerning facts?
     
  6. Stonefish

    Stonefish Triploid, Humpy & Seaplane Hater

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    A lot of money will be spent on educating people in regards to weed. Same goes for alcohol and tobacco. If you haven't been hearing about the increased DUI emphasis patrols and the "Suck It" tobacco campaign you haven't been paying attention.
    I'm just glad I don't live in a state that still feels it needs to throw someone in jail for having a couple of doobies in their pocket. Imprisoning someone for such a minor offense is a major waste of resources in my opinion.

    Very sad deal about the hunter.
    SF
     
  7. tkww

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    And what "shit" would that be? That we aren't really free?

    This is about a modern-day prohibition that has cost us trillions of dollars, done nothing to reduce drug use, spread crime, gangs and violence throughout our country--not to mention that 10s of thousands dead in other countries. For what? What have we accomplished with this prohibition? Violence, gangs, big government, and and unkown/undiscernible impact on the actual availability and usage.

    Because they were high in a war zone, high while fighting? Dulling your senses with anything when you life is on the line is really bad idea. But that's not marijuana's fault. No more so than it is alcohol's fault when someone gets into a car and drives drunk. And, to the point, there's no correlation to what happened in a jungle 40 years ago and what is going on in someone's living room today. I'm sorry, but there isn't.

    You know, for a fact, that it didn't start with alcohol or tobacco? Or pain killers? Or what they saw on TV? Or read in a book? Or how they were raised? Here's the thing: every currently-employed LEO on the planet will always say that because their jobs depend on it. If we removed the prohibition we'd be talking about a gov't spending cut that suddenly seems to aggravate the very people who claim to love small gov't.

    Many of the countries that turn a blind eye have much less crime than we do. (And yes, they also have a lot of other differences--I'm not saying it's a direct correlation.) But if we keep up with this line of thinking, let's not forget that alcohol is illegal in a great many countries. Shouldn't we follow suit?

    Ah, yes. When it doubt, lets' talk about killing people. 'Cause that's the way to a better future. But just so we're clear: do you shoot anyone who comes onto your property, +/- half a mile, or only those who you can see--through the crosshairs, I assume--are toking?
     
  8. freestoneangler

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    Go smoke another joint and be happy dude ;).
     
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    bennysbuddy the sultan of swing

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    Oh, the "problem users." And how do you define those? Now we're starting to get to the fun part.
    I'd start with the mother fucker whom killed my sister in a car wreck because he was driveing stoned. Are we at the fun part yet, talk this shit around me and I'll show you some fucking fun!!!!
     
  10. Alex MacDonald

    Alex MacDonald Dr. of Doomology

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    "Ah, yes. When it doubt, lets' talk about killing people. 'Cause that's the way to a better future. But just so we're clear: do you shoot anyone who comes onto your property, +/- half a mile, or only those who you can see--through the crosshairs, I assume--are toking?"

    I never killed anybody who didn't need it. But a half-mile? Not with a .338 Lapua Mag; try a mile and a half.
    For the rest of this bullshit, just light up another joint, sit back and pretend you're on another planet. I don't need to waste more time with your ideas.
     
  11. gofish101

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    It's so sad to hear about any needless deaths. What's also very sad is the blind eye turned to alcohol and tobacco related problems, it seems that weed gets all the hype.
    From the CDC
    "Every day, almost 30 people in the United States die in motor vehicle crashes that involve an alcohol-impaired driver. This amounts to one death every 48 minutes.1 The annual cost of alcohol-related crashes totals more than $51 billion" "
    How big is the problem?
    • In 2010, 10,228 people were killed in alcohol-impaired driving crashes, accounting for nearly one-third (31%) of all traffic-related deaths in the United States.1
    • Of the 1,210 traffic deaths among children ages 0 to 14 years in 2010, 211 (17%) involved an alcohol-impaired driver.1
    • Of the 211 child passengers ages 14 and younger who died in alcohol-impaired driving crashes in 2010, over half (131) were riding in the vehicle with the alcohol-impaired driver.1
    • In 2010, over 1.4 million drivers were arrested for driving under the influence of alcohol or narcotics.3 That's one percent of the 112 million self-reported episodes of alcohol-impaired driving among U.S. adults each year.4
    Drugs other than alcohol (e.g., marijuana and cocaine) are involved in about 18% of motor vehicle driver deaths. These other drugs are often used in combination with alcohol.
    • Cigarette smoking is responsible for about one in five deaths annually (i.e., more than 440,000 deaths per year, and an estimated 49,000 of these smoking-related deaths are the result of secondhand smoke exposure).
    • In 2000–2004, cigarette smoking cost more than $193 billion (i.e., $97 billion in lost productivity plus $96 billion in health care expenditures).
    In 2013, states will collect $25.7 billion from tobacco taxes and legal settlements, but states will spend only 1.8% of the $25.7 billion on prevention and cessation programs.
    http://www.cdc.gov/motorvehiclesafety/impaired_driving/impaired-drv_factsheet.html
    http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/fast_facts/

    My guess is most of the people against any changes in the law don't smoke mj but may drink or smoke cigaretes or cigars. Based on the facts from the CDC it is obvious that all of these are major problems in society and should be addressed.
     
  12. tkww

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    I don't know if it's fun or not. But the the statistics for alcohol-related car fatalities far exceed the statistics for weed-related car fatalities. So why no outcry for a ban on alcohol?
     
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    Just have another drink, Alex. Sounds like that's what makes you happy.
     
  14. freestoneangler

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    Cigarette smoking, unlike marijuana, does not impair ones ability to drive. No argument that alcohol does and drunk driving is a problem...but adding additional drugs to the menu seems like doubling down on the problem to me. And, your links simply prove my point that we are full of hypocrisy. The dirty little secret is that the states coffers love the tax money brought in from people smoking and drinking...they will never kill the goose that lays golden eggs.

    If the US is hell bent on being the first to the bottom, we might as well legalize all drugs and let the government collect taxes on them. Heck, it may just be the answer to our budget deficits. And in keeping with what seems to be the new program, none of us should have any problem picking up the trash someone else made of their lives from stupid, irresponsible decisions. :rolleyes:
     
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    Ahh.. the myths and misconceptions harbored by the Baby Boomer generation about weed. And on point, the grouse hunter being shot had nothing to do with pot.
     
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