I think we need an old man forum. So uses old men can fart and belch with out the young whipper snappers can't get offended. I know of several that fit this bill. Maybe we could call it the "old Geezers forum" WE can discuss when we first started out in the thing called fly fishing. Before all the fancy rods and reels and fancy lines. And before this thing called the internet. When wet flies were the thing.