Discussion in 'Fly Fishing Forum' started by Hem, Feb 10, 2009.
streamline clearwater and tls lines all made overseas
All Orvis rods are made in Manchester, VT. with the exception of the Frequent Flyer and Clearwater rods. Orvis has also been hit with the hard economic times; they arent immune to the layoffs. I believe most "value rods" are made overseas now. Look at Winston as a for instance.
If you go a little further into that catalog you will find that the $995 rod is actually a rod $775, BLA reel $219, line $69, backing $20, and a carrying case $129. The Helios rods are $775 to $795, which is still a lot of money but how much are the other fine rods in the industry? They are mostly handcrafted in the USA by USAmerican people.
Also, believe it or not, but Orvis actually has apparel (fleece coats and such) that are Made in the USA. You get what you pay for usually and I'm willing to pay a little more for fine craftsmanship from here in the states.
Oh, I forgot Streamline but the TLS are made in Manchester.
"Plus, our 150-years of expertise and high-end rod shop mean you get it for less money. Truly the best value, finest-casting, premium fly fishing rod on the market today. Built by experienced craftsmen in Manchester, Vermont, continuing a 150-year fly rod-building tradition. 25 year guarantee".
Look it was JUST an observation.Maybe a redundant post,but for those that this offends,..don't comment.I really don't care one way or another about Orvis or any other company that sells merchandise for more than I can afford.If I could, I would.Each to their own.I think I am still pissed that I bought a Zero gravity last summer for the full price and then shortly thereafter the rod was discontinued and dealers were unloading them for a fraction of what I paid.Oh yeah,I get "tired" of surly people whining about posts they dislike but still take the time to respond to.
Your inferring that Orvis isn't a fine establishment, why is that? T&T's customer service is not highly regarded, Winston makes rods in China & I remember their treatment of Glen Brackett. I'm curious as to why Orvis is an object of scorn and ridicule.
from the marx comment to things being made overseas...man do people need to get out and fish.
regarding things being made overseas...show me the person who does not have one item of gear made overseas. Please. Wading jacket? Boots? Waders? Socks? Hat on your head? Hook? The rod is made in china rant is getting old too.
Buy what you like and can afford...and if you can buy via a local fly shop then in my mind you are buying "american".
Orvis Bashing 2009!!! The next Olympic sport.
I don't get it. The original poster gets the information wrong, it is not a $1000. rod that is a whole package. Other manufactures have equipment in this price range why not pick on them?
This is obviously an incredible piece of engineering. The weight is just amazing. I can't wait to get my hands on one to test cast it. Can I afford it?? I could if I wanted to. Will I buy one?? It would be a stretch right now to justify it.
Why does this company inspire such emotion. I love to get the catalog and I shop at Orvis online and in the store. They have many great products and they are not all high priced and for the elite.
The Orvis company is very involved in environmental action, stream restoration and fish habitat. They appear to be great flyfishing community members.
Sometimes there are items in the stores and online that appeal to a small minority but good on them.
Enjoy the catalog, dream about the new rods and take a trip to some exotic location in your daydreams.
Get over it and enjoy flyfishing at whatever level you are comfortable at, financially or philosophically.
The Helios, T-3, TLS, Superfines, and bamboo are all made in Manchester, VT.
That superfine is made in the US? That may be my frst non-SCOTT rod.
Also, who the hell cares how much a rod costs? There is used gear, budget gear, and mid level gear that will suit you fine. Live within your means and buy what you can afford. If everyone followed that advice, America wouldnt be in the financial crisis it is now!
It is an age old argument that will never cease to exist (like Northern California vs. Southern California, East Coast Rap vs. West Coast Rap, and Bloods vs. Crips).
Get out and angle.
Okay,Okay.I stand corrected,my apologies.Yeah the $1000 WAS for the package deal.My error, sorry to rub all you staunch Orvis supporters.They market fine merchandise,...I use two of their rods and reels,so it isn't about my bashing,per say,but more of a raised eye brow.Orvis clearly has succesful sales, a statement that reflects comfortable economic times in some circles.It IS comforting to see a glimmer of stability by one american company that markets home grown merchandise.I don't need a Helios to catch fish,....but it sure might be fun.Call it envy.White flag has been hoisted.Have a great day everybody. Hem
If you get treated badly, deal with whomever or whatever company did so one on one. Don't do it here. If you don't like one company for one reason or another you can say what you want, it is a free country, right? But for those that want to bash someone or a company for selfish reasons should shut the hell up. I don't think dirty laundry should be aired here unless all attempts to resolve it has happened. If someone has a preference that is cool, I'd like to hear about that. I appreciate hearing how others find their ways to their gear after testing, research and such. If this post offends, well take it up with me one on one via a discussion or air some laundry of how much of a dick I am here in the open forum.
What the hell, I will add my 2 cents. The same can be said for waders, boots, reels, and for that matter, gas, autos, food, wives??????? It all makes for good conversation or should I say debate. After 60 years on this earth and working my but off (since 9 years old) like many of you more than one job at once etc. etc. etc. My wife bought me a $1000.00 Winston rod and Lamson reel two years ago for x-mas. At this time in our lives we could afford it. I love it, I love the feel of it, I love the look of it and I love using it and that is all that matters. The great thing is the warranty on a rod like this as I am quite clumsy and tend to either break rods, or shut them up in the tail gates. Does it fish any better than another???????????
Not really. We bought a $200.00 Reddington 5wt. for my g/son and I love it for the same reasons as my Winston. I most likely will not do it again but then again I don't have to because of the warranty (sweet). Would I buy waders at $900.00? Oh hell no, would I spend $90.00 on a really neat looking pastel colored fishing shirt with deep pockets? What for? I'm going fishing where my clothes smell like fish, get wet, snagged, ripped etc. My colored t-shirts or tank tops work just fine. In the end I guess it is just a personal choice of which we all have.
I will however complain about the weather as I look out my window and see snow, man do I hate this stuff.
Just to introduce a bit of perspective, here are prices for single-hangers from the more prominent premium makers.
Sage TCX: $780
Sage ZXL: $680
T&T Apex: $750
Winston Boron IImx: $675-$735
Orvis ZG Helios: $755-$775
The plain fact is if you insist on owning a cutting-edge fly rod, the price you pay reflects the R&D that went into designing and producing it. There's no free lunch.
Get over it. That happens with just about everything, be it cars, tv's, clothing, computers, etc. If you're truly looking for a bargain, buy the closeouts. If you must be on the bleeding edge, be prepared to pay a little extra to be first.