I don't tie flies so I either have a few people tie some up for me. My hands just shake to bad for me to try any more. I'm even starting to have trouble tying flies to my tippets. But I stick with it until I get the little eye threaded. What I'm saying ouch about is the price of flies. The flies I paid about $1.85 for last year jumped up to $2.50 this year. $10 bucks for 4 size 16 Purple Hazes. Gotta get in touch with my tiers here to get me some flies.