Outcast Commander review

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  1. Brian Thomas

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    You should have stuck around .
    He also rowed back up the falls . I was a mightily impressed .
    He did have to use both oars though .
    Still ...
     
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    Did you notice he was racing Chuck Norris up the falls?
     
  3. SpeyFitter

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    All this "Falls" talk with the Outcast Commander is pure bafflegab. You guys KNOW that the Outcast Commander doesn't carry the coveted Class 5 whitewater rating that only most Scadden boats have. Some may hold the lack of Class 5 rating (or any rating for that matter) as a disadvantage of the Outcast Commander.
     
  4. Randall Clark

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    That's a nice video. I don't know that anything I'd be tackling is even that rough but it certainly looks like it handles that with ease...despite the "wet" ride.
     
  5. bassvanger

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    whats with the class 5 ratings........I understood that rapids are rated class 1 to 5 etc not really boats .... is there a specific standard to which these r built ....and a governing body...as in a certification ?
    Aftr all rafting operators even run bodyboards down class 5 rivers....as long as you r in the right lifevest
     
  6. jessejames

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    BDD is probable more qualified to aqnswer this question but:
    You are correct in stating rivers are rated not boats. A manufacturer can put whatever weight capacity and "whitewater" rating on it he wants. It is my contention that it is irresponsible advertising. Invariably some novice is going to load a frameless inflatable to the maximum rating, and then take it down some really difficult whitewater river and get himself killed, all because "it said it was rated".
    Buyer Beware!!!!!!!!!!!1
    jesse
     
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    Thanks for the clarification, as a professional rafting guide, I can give you my opinion.
    So I agree that calling any boat a class 4 and up rating is irresponsible in that implys that a novice could tackle class 4 with it.
    It should be said that the paddler that can be rated and not so much the boat.
    Any higher than this requires scouting and river reading skills. Class 4 implies that there are serious dangers if
    you take the wrong approach.
    All this said if you have the skill AND some back up ...ie another boat at least ...you can use any boat to run the rapids.
    Class 3 and under are safe and should you swim there will be no serious consequances .
    If I were asked to rate these boats, I would say stick to class 3 for all except the big cats with proper oar rigs which in skilled hands could navigate call 4 and above.
     
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    I've come to the conclusion that anyone who gives their boat a class 5 rating must do it by strapping a cage onto their boats with a family of lab rats inside and then letting it float through a class 5 rapid. If it lands upright at the bottom of the rapid and all the rats are accounted for the boat is class 5 rated. If the boat gets flipped but the rats are ok it's class 4 rated. If the boat is flipped and the cage falls off and the rats go missing or die its only class 3 rated.
     
  9. PT

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    If the Commander had been out a few years ago I'd probably own one. Looks like it would do everything my WM does and a bit less expensive.
     
  10. Flyborg

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    I love it. Absolutely hands down one of the best purchases I've ever made. It's really fun on the water, something I haven't experienced with previous watercraft. And I can't really say why-it's just enjoyable. I don't hassle with stuff like I do in a framed cat. It scoots and maneuvers like it's doing the Hokey Pokey on roller skates. The thing gets where it needs to and best of all I can just pick it up and move it past anything that looks questionable to me.

    I don't use it in winter. You will get wet in it. It's probably not the boat for multi-day trips unless you're a light packer. But for my day jaunts and after-work trips it's perfect.
     
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    Interesting reviews. For those of you who have one, do you carry a second/third rod and if so how does it work on the Commander? Also when you travel with it do you deflate it completely or leave it inflated and just tie it down in the bed of a pickup? I take it from the reviews that it works fine with a XXL size person? After reading this thread it looks like these craft will be a hot item for a while.
     
  12. Randall Clark

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    Well, just got the boat. Inflated it in the living room, went through some "water" very "fast" with the kiddo hanging out behind the seat, also fits the dog behind the seat. Just playing around with it in the living room, this boat is slick. I can't wait to get 'er on the water. I also picked up the K-200 pump. What a great little pump. It took me less than 10 minutes to go from sealed in the box to fully setup. I'll throw up a full review once I have a chance to play around with it on the water little bit.

    Cheers
     
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    I am anxious to read the full review...did you start a new thread?
     
  14. Randall Clark

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    what a timely post, I actually just got it out on a stillwater yesterday for a couple of hours. Once Spring rolls around, and/or I get a chance to get it on some moving waters, I'll get a more detailed review up.

    As far as stillwaters, I've never played around with a better boat (that's a pretty limited sample size, fwiw). Super fast setup (under 10 min with the K-200 pump). But the cut-out will be very useful when I use flippers. The placement of the scotty rod holder/s are just about perfect (I still need to get another one...in fact, I'll probably try the attachment that allows you to put 3 items on it...not sure how well that will work, space-wise) It's very nimble, turns on a dime, yet is really easy to paddle in a straight line (probably due to the way the oars are attached-I forget what those attachments are called). I forgot the stripping apron at home, so didn't really get to test it out, but I didn't have too many issues without it. When rowing, I did notice that I kept rubbing my knuckles on my legs (partially due to my inexperience in rowing, and partially due to having the foot pegs set too close...but regardless, I could see this being an issue even without that. So far so good....

    Cheers,
    Randy
     
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    Nearly forgot a very important piece of information. The space in the two side handles on either side of the seat makes for a perfect drink holder.