Outcast Frameless Oar Mounts

Discussion in 'Watercraft' started by SpeyFitter, Apr 14, 2014.

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  1. sportsman

    sportsman Active Member

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    Give it a rest dude! I don't need to go home because I know that on my Waterstrider and my Renegade they are exactlythe same ....NO GLUE....WELDED. Too bad for you if your Watermaster has glue under them!
     
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    To not even go look is completely ARROGANT!
     
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    Hey Sleezen, when you first posted about what raft to buy and how you were tired of being a guide and how you knew which end of a fly rod to pick up...I thought 2 things. Only raft this guy will buy is a Kodiak and that you were a punk. You proved me right on both counts and now your doing it again. Quit being a stupid punk and grow up! After Blue gave you so much good advice, you called her a liar! You then insinuated that Dave Scadden was guilty of questionable buisness practices by taking orders to pay past due bills. Quit being a punk. All of this you wrote when you were just blowing smoke out of where the sun doesn't shine. Quit being a punk!
     
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    Thanks for proving my last statement true!
     
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    I do think it would be cool to have NRS, Outcast, Watermaster, Waterstrider, & NFO oar mounts all taken apart and a detailed description. But maybe I am putting way to much thought into it. I am betting they all can be broken at some point though.
     
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    Sportsman, if your dealings with Scadden were the same as mine, you wouldn't be calling anyone a punk on this topic. Shady would be complimentary when talking about the issues I had with the company.

    I'm not the only person THAT I PERSONALLY KNOW who has been treated like shit after putting money down on one of their products. Used car salesman is a compliment.

    Back to your regular programming.
     
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    golfman44 4-Time Puget Sound Steelhead Guide of the Year

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    I've heard this as well in regards to Scadden. I've also heard about bad quality products combined with shit service in regards to a watermaster incident, and that came from a more reputable source than I'd find anywhere on this forum.

    At the end of the day, nothing is indestructible and everything is bound to break if you jam an oar against a rock enough times. Arguing about it on a forum is quite useless.

    Hell, look at this:



    Do Kias have these problems? Yup. Do porsches? Yup.
     
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    PT, the topic was/is "Oar Mount Pads". A comparison of the different styles referred to the "Issue Prone Scadden Versions". I just wanted to make it very clear that any number of failed oar locks, while a bummer for those who experienced it, is an extremely small PERCENT! Talk facts, not falsehoods, which is what was posted. # 1. What is the percent of total failures compared to total number of rafts sold?? # 2. What % of documented faiulres were from operator error or abuse. I doubt that it would exceed one in a thousand.....001% PT, when we met at the slough so you could buy the items I posted for sale, didn't you say that your personal dealings with Dave was 10-12 years ago?? You were also somewhat coy about letting me know who you actually were on this site, because we had just had some disagreements online....did you think I would not sell them to you? Anyway, it was a good transaction and we had a pleasant chat,
     
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    Hey Sportsman,

    It's one thing to get your perspective across, it's another when you become insulting. What gives you the right to wish people to bounce their head off a rock, or calling them punks.
    I'm sure if you were face to face you wouldn't talk to people in that manner. You lose any credibility when you're disrespectful to members on this board.
     
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    The only use that I would put any product with that type of rowing system on would be as a pool toy. I like my rowing system to be brass and other types of material either welded on or bolted on with stainless steel bolts and nyloc nuts.
     
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    Fair enough, I see where you are coming from, but I stand by everything I wrote. When an blatanty false statement is posted, without any facts to back them up, I have always come out firing.....it has nothing to do with what boats I own. # 1. We all get it, the canucks on this site are whitewater guys, you have beat the frameless raft style to death. So don't buy them! # 2. As for the other guy I referred to, well, he has earned it. You can go back and read his posts, what he has written and you will see that many others feel the same as I do. Sorry if your sensibilities were offended, so you won't have to worry about me and any other posts....on this subject.
     
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    I don't broadcast who I am to anyone on this site. Only PM and personal meetings. Nothing was different with that transaction in those regards. I have no issues with you and respect your opinion. You've been around the block and know your boats. We all have different experiences with products and I respect that many have high regards for NFO and their boats. Me and many others have not had that same positive experience and shouldn't be trashed on this forum because of it.
    I know what the topic is. When you bash a guy because of his personal opinion about this subject, it's fair to point out yours isn't the only opinion that matters.

    No big deal either way. Scadden has a loyal following but has also earned the lack of respect from many others.

    To be clear, stuff breaks. And, I think it's usually pilot error rather than which company they buy their boat from.
     
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    # 1. We all get it, the canucks on this site are whitewater guys, you have beat the frameless raft style to death. So don't buy them!

    Can you elaborate on this statement? I've seen plenty of post( not just this forum), and from other countries that have voiced their concerns.

    If you've had a bad experience with a member, why not take the highroad and not publicly engage them on a forum? You have nothing to gain, and you have the potential to lose any credibility in doing so.
     
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    I just want to say that if you had received the 20+ private messages about poor customer service from Scadden you would be skeptical too. People straight up saying that they don't want to post a message in the forum because of backlash and warning me about the validity of Blues customer service experience due to her past "relationship" with Scadden. (the reason that is in quotes is because i'm not sure how close they were or are.)

    The point of the watercraft forum is to inform people about rafts, drift boats, personal watercrafts among other things. If it takes a battle to inform future readers from making a mistake then the battle is worth it. Blue knows that I think her opinion on customer service with Scadden products is not valid. I do on the other hand think her opinion on the craftsmanship and quality of the product is completely valid. I don't think she has hard feelings towards me and neither do I (correct me if i'm wrong Blue). I have apologized for some things that I have said and we are at a truce on that topic. (I've let it go, she's let it go, can you let it go?)
     
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    See and I get just as many pms if not more from people not posting because they have NFO and had no problem what so ever with the service and they don't want to be chastised. I know as I have been one. Plus I also know that we as forum readers, do not get "the whole" story. We are just taking people at their word. No reason not to, right.....
    Sorry, but you yourself have had no experience with NFO, you just go off what you are told, as do (in PT's words) MANY people. They have never owned or used any of NFO product. I know you will go off on the oars, and again, I still say that was manufacturers delays. Can't ship em if you cant get em.
    Walk a mile in their shoes before criticizing.

    Back to the oars pins subject, started off a very interesting observation. Hopefully we can get more info on the materials of the others.
     
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