I was wondering why more and more gear caught fish pictures are being posted in the gallery? I visit this site because I dont want to see gear caught fish and I thought the name WFF ment that I found a place where I would see no more gear caught fish pictures. I thought that was for the gear forums? Chris, Just an idea but could we maybe have a section for gear fishing since there are a few members on here that do, so that I dont get mad every time I see them.:beathead: Could we give them their own little world on here even though there are many websites out there for gear guys so we dont make them feel left out?
You are one salty looking dog in that avatar. It's got to be one of the best ones on this site. Tight lines Duffer
PS And for those of you who are getting ready to jump, yes you can slow down, or even pause the fly with proper mending, but not like you can with gear. Keep it fly.
Give these people a little taste of things different and they all take the bulls by the horn and run with it. All I can say if seeing fish taken by gear, you need to look the other way. Watch the Gallery with blinders on. Or just ignore the gear in the picture.
If you play a fish to long or treat it roughly it will probably die after it swims off. So even if you fished with gear and played it too long it will probably die after it swims off. It is something that you put out of your mind. I fish to have fun and there is nothing anybody can do to change that.
IMO if theres a pic of a gear caught fish in the gallery and someone gets all butthurt about it....then just dont look at it instead of creating a 6 page long rant. Seriously, theres 1 pic of a gear caught fish per every 200 or so pics with fish caught on flies. I dont much care for many of the pics I see on here but I dont bitch about them. Some like seeing pics of a nice steelhead wheather it be gear caught or fly caught, its all in your taste of pics I guess.
Thanks Coach. Just trying to pick up Mumbles' slack.:thumb:
P.S. This thread read like another troll, but as far as gear caught fish go I don't think there should be a separate gallery, and I don't think it's a big problem on the site. I don't see the point of posting those pics on this site, but whatever floats your boat i guess.
If you look in my gallery you’ll see a few pictures lately of ‘gear caught’ Steelhead. The fish were caught using a centerpin rod and reel. The reason that I chose to post them here is that more and more ‘fly fishermen’ are using centerpin outfits and telling me how much they enjoy it. I’ve enjoyed experimenting with the tackle and it’s been fun catching fish on something other than a fly rod.
There is a difference between what I’ve been doing and fly fishing. That’s why I’m doing it and also why it’s worth talking about. But centerpin fishing and fly fishing tackle are similar in many ways and there seems to be a lot of crossover appeal. I have no intention of stopping (posting the pictures or fishing that way).
Stay tuned for pictures of my family trip to the Lilac festival.
Anil
If you look in my gallery you'll see a few pictures lately of 'gear caught' Steelhead. The fish were caught using a centerpin rod and reel. The reason that I chose to post them here is that more and more 'fly fishermen' are using centerpin outfits and telling me how much they enjoy it. I've enjoyed experimenting with the tackle and it's been fun catching fish on something other than a fly rod.
There is a difference between what I've been doing and fly fishing. That's why I'm doing it and also why it's worth talking about. But centerpin fishing and fly fishing tackle are similar in many ways and there seems to be a lot of crossover appeal. I have no intention of stopping (posting the pictures or fishing that way).
Stay tuned for pictures of my family trip to the Lilac festival.
Anil
Good for you for choosing to experiment. By experimenting is how I came to love fly fishing.
I am going to have to disagree with you, I don't see the similarities between Centerpin and fly fishing tackle. The methods used with both tackle are close. And if more and more fly fisherman are using centerpin outfits are they still fly fishing?
With all the differant opinons on here I wonder, how many anglers started out fishing with gear and moved to fly fishing only, and how many started out fly fishing and have moved or started to use other gear.
Personally I could care less how a person chooses to fish. The point of this post is this is a FLY FISHING SITE!!
You know we all buy the same license......it's just all about choices.
I don't feel I have the right to tell some one else how to think. What's next, ford-chevy. beer-wine, gay-straight?
I don't fish gear, and no that fish would not have meant as much to me landed on gear as it would have swinging the fly. You are getting me to bite on this bullshit, no way. Go find a gear site. You can trade egg curing recipes, sardine wrapping tips and your favorite ways to trick out plugs by repainting them with the gear fellas. There are shitloads of places you can do that on the web. And they love gear caught steelhead pics over there! You see we used to have 10-25 fish days on the Sauk with plugs and most of those fish were over 10 pounds, especially during the "tethering" days. And no, not one of those plug landed fish, even the 28 pounder we got one day shooting plugs felt as good as a swung fly landed steelhead. Not even close. That's why I flyfish and that's why I like this site. The days are long, cold and the skunk is around more often than not. But then you do hook a wild assed steelie, there is no comparison. It's called WASHINGTON FLYFISHING, NOT I CALL MYSELF A FLYFISHERMAN, BUT IN REALITY HAVE NEVER CAUGHT A WHOLE LOT SWINGING THE FLY, SO I BUST OUT THE GEAR ROD THE VERY MINUTE I FEEL MY CONFIDENCE WAVER, WHICH IS MORE OFTEN THAN NOT, AND THEN WHEN I DO STICK A FISH GEAR FISHING I TRY TO CONVINCE MYSELF AND EVERYONE AROUND ME THAT IT IS THE SAME THING AS HOOKING ONE SWINGING THE FLY BUT DEEP DOWN INSIDE I WONDER AT NIGHT HOW MUCH BETTER THAT FISH WOULD HAVE BEEN IT I WOULD HAVE JUST STUCK IT OUT AND STAYED WITH THE SPEY ROD THAT DAY BUT........:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl: This aint my first barbecue chief! I'm done with this one, but those gear landed steelhead pics don't mean a damn thing to me.
...even the 28 pounder we got one day shooting plugs felt as good as a swung fly landed steelhead. Not even close. That's why I flyfish and that's why I like this site. The days are long, cold and the skunk is around more often than not. But then you do hook a wild assed steelie, there is no comparison. It's called WASHINGTON FLYFISHING, NOT I CALL MYSELF A FLYFISHERMAN, BUT IN REALITY HAVE NEVER CAUGHT A WHOLE LOT SWINGING THE FLY, SO I BUST OUT THE GEAR ROD THE VERY MINUTE I FEEL MY CONFIDENCE WAVER, WHICH IS MORE OFTEN THAN NOT, AND THEN WHEN I DO STICK A FISH GEAR FISHING I TRY TO CONVINCE MYSELF AND EVERYONE AROUND ME THAT IT IS THE SAME THING AS HOOKING ONE SWINGING THE FLY BUT DEEP DOWN INSIDE I WONDER AT NIGHT HOW MUCH BETTER THAT FISH WOULD HAVE BEEN IT I WOULD HAVE JUST STUCK IT OUT AND STAYED WITH THE SPEY ROD THAT DAY BUT........:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl: This aint my first barbecue chief! I'm done with this one, but those gear landed steelhead pics don't mean a damn thing to me.
I was tempted to go to the Dark Side this winter; two winters of absolutely intolerable fishing conditions, swinging a bunny on a type 8 through friggin' latte colored water...yeah, I went out in the garage and looked at my rack of casting rods, all dusty and neglected looking, and I was sorely tempted.
But I think if I would have given in, even if it would have caught me a couple chromers, I'd have lost a piece of something special and good. Can't explain it. I don't judge gear guys per se, or even "switch hitters" who haven't fully committed, it's just not my way.
Whoah there Spaz. This is the kind of stuff that people take personal. It just going to insult people if you call gear the "dark side". Accomplishment is what fishing is all about but to each their own regarding your choice of how to fish.
We both know what an accomplishment a steelhead caught the way we do it is and we don't want that belittled, that is fly fishing for winter steelhead. A handicap basically.
Wow, I was not expecting this. I just asked what you all thought. I picked out one person that really got defensive and butthurt/other reasons as well, and they will not have to worry about going in my boat again. I just think if you have gear caught fish why post it on a fly fishing website? It doesnt make sense. It took me a while to get back to you guys because I was fishing earlier which I think some of you should have been doing as well.
Gear, obviously, but that's not the point nor the issue. And seriously, if I held that fish in my hands after landing it on a gear rod, I'd think long and hard about the wasted opportunity. But that's me. I don't expect you or anyone to understand, but there's no steelhead on this planet that I want to catch badly enough to use a gear rod to catch it. I choose to not catch a boatload of steelhead by deliberately choosing to fly fish for them. That's not to say I never fish with other gear, but it's for the distraction of a broader experience and making me a more complete angler and to catch other fish species, but not because I want to catch a mega-steelhead and post pictures of it.
D3,
7 pages of crap in your opinion. Personally I think the original poster asked a logical question. Why the hell would someone post photos of gear caught fish on a fly fishing forum? It makes about as much sense as me asking a treaty Indian friend to give me a photo of some gillnet caught steelhead so I can post them on this forum. Really, if choice of tackle doesn't matter, then why don't we all choose gillnets and really get 'er done? And don't underestimate the adrenaline rush of sport drift gillnetting.
Jerry,
So what is gear fishing? I think it's not the same for everyone. However, by any objective measure, it isn't near the challenge as fly fishing for winter steelhead simply because conventional spin and casting gear is an easier and more effective method for consistently catching more steelhead. I generally don't get too judgemental on forums, but anyone who doesn't understand the above statement flat out doesn't know all that much about steelheading.
Gear, obviously, but that's not the point nor the issue. And seriously, if I held that fish in my hands after landing it on a gear rod, I'd think long and hard about the wasted opportunity. But that's me. I don't expect you or anyone to understand, but there's no steelhead on this planet that I want to catch badly enough to use a gear rod to catch it. Sg
Sg, I respect your right to fish the way you want, but....one last shot & I'm done. Why gear obviously....?? The guy is all Simms-ed up its a C&R net, plus no gear in the pic or bait/hook in the yapper.
The water behind? Looks like a fly guy could run a strike indacator & fly thru that bucket to me, & what if that toad took him a 1/4 mile downstream away from the step & swing water ??
I'm just saying NO WAY to tell what method used in that pic.
Coach, if you liked to swing so much why did you move? And all the posts of your bone fish and your company stuff on a washington site. I run a guide service too, yes I have a link to my site and have chimed in a few times about alaska but I don't post about my stuff in ak all the time. Hawaii to the Northwest is like gear to flyfishing.
Whats really funny is how Washingtons love to spey fish and 10 or more years ago many talked shit about it. Centerpins are hated now but you mark my words that in 5-10 years many on this and other sites will be doing it. Not all the time but when it is necessary.
I love Hawaii, bone fishing, spey fishing steelheading, centerpinning, and gear fishing with clients.
As far as a 20 pound fish held out of water with water running off it, take more photos that way, also I know of a 20 pounder that was a unclip hatchery fish that had a wore dorsile fin and people who saw the picture called in the holder. Fuck Off he released a huge hatchery fish and was in 10 inches of water with the fish just above it.
For me I hate seeing guys holding trout and Steelhead that are about to be released with fleece or wool gloves on. Might as well bonk that fish. And fish with there head dragged out of water half way on the bank with a spey fly in its mouth.
Come on guys lets all get a drink and fish. Yes this is a fly site so note to those that want to show a gear caught fish...... take the hook out and remove the rod from the photo. They won't know the difference.
Coach, if you liked to swing so much why did you move? And all the posts of your bone fish and your company stuff on a washington site. I run a guide service too, yes I have a link to my site and have chimed in a few times about alaska but I don't post about my stuff in ak all the time. Hawaii to the Northwest is like gear to flyfishing.
Whats really funny is how Washingtons love to spey fish and 10 or more years ago many talked shit about it. Centerpins are hated now but you mark my words that in 5-10 years many on this and other sites will be doing it. Not all the time but when it is necessary.
I love Hawaii, bone fishing, spey fishing steelheading, centerpinning, and gear fishing with clients.
As far as a 20 pound fish held out of water with water running off it, take more photos that way, also I know of a 20 pounder that was a unclip hatchery fish that had a wore dorsile fin and people who saw the picture called in the holder. Fuck Off he released a huge hatchery fish and was in 10 inches of water with the fish just above it.
For me I hate seeing guys holding trout and Steelhead that are about to be released with fleece or wool gloves on. Might as well bonk that fish. And fish with there head dragged out of water half way on the bank with a spey fly in its mouth.
Come on guys lets all get a drink and fish. Yes this is a fly site so note to those that want to show a gear caught fish...... take the hook out and remove the rod from the photo. They won't know the difference.
First off, why the defensive "guilty as hell" posture?
Why did I move? I was a college football coach. I also coached in Arizona and Utah and posted from there too. My home is Washington and always will be. My last season was 2007 when UH went to the Sugar Bowl. I had an opportunity to go to SMU with June but wanted my children to be raised in Hawaii, where my wife is from. Now that you know why, who cares. I swing the fly because I was raised in Washington where many of the rivers swing the fly very well. Probably about the same time you were introduced to Alaska's prolific "Glo Bug Hatch", a bunch of Northwest guys realized the advantages of using spey rods in these same waters to increase their fly drift and to cover water un reacheable due to backcast issues or just the massive size involved. You can call me or any number of members of this site if you want the history rundown. In fact 10 years ago, we were alreay 10 solid years into spey rods in Washington in earnest. This is a fly site. And loving Hawaii centerpins, lead tossing and egg patterns has nothing to do with this post, with pictures of gear caught steelhead or with me. I post on here all the time because I know a bunch of guys on this site and spent a long time steelheading in Washington. Fishing is fishing, and I think it is all great, but I am sure you can find a forum for centrepins, gear fishing, Alaskan "flyfishing" and maybe even Hawaiian Bonefishing. Scoones, IBN and the rest of the leadership here have always kept me honest and if I get too commercial they slap me in the head. Really that's none of your business either. After all you found WASHINGTON FLYFISHING now didn't you? It should be easy for you to find the other sites!!! Tight lines and watch out, your "impenetrable" fish runs up there are starting to dwindle. The only shit talking I've heard for the last 25 years was you folks telling us how shitty our fisheries management was as you yucked it up and raked salmon across the back. It's starting to get quiet up there............
PS It's okay I truly believe that in every gear fisherman is a fly angler screaming to get out. And if you keep working at it, eventually you'll have enough confidence in your teaching and guiding abilities to only fish the fly with clients. Of course you'll have to stop counting fish on the clicker you carry in your pocket and on long tough days have to interact with then on a human level, but it will all come in due time. Much mahalos Coach
I can't believe I read the whole thing.
Maybe I'll get the last word in.
When I grew up in southern Oregon on the Rogue and Applegate rivers nothing made me feel better than drifting a fat nite crawler through a deep hole and hooking and landing a fat wild steelhead, meat on the table.
Well that was 35+ years ago and I will never go back to bait or spin to fish for steelhead, swing fly or nothing.
Now if ya want to post a gear caught fish on this forum, that's your business. But I joined to see fly caught fish and talk about fly fishing.
Peace and love brothers. Dirty Dog out
PS It's okay I truly believe that in every gear fisherman is a fly angler screaming to get out. And if you keep working at it, eventually you'll have enough confidence in your teaching and guiding abilities to only fish the fly with clients. Of course you'll have to stop counting fish on the clicker you carry in your pocket and on long tough days have to interact with then on a human level, but it will all come in due time. Much mahalos Coach[/QUOTE]
I have to agree. It is like puberty, some reach it faster than others and some never see the day. As some of you know I am 17, I have now reached a point where I will never allow another gear rod in my boats again. I want to thank everyone for their input. Some have pissed me off more but thats the way life goes. If anyone else has more comments I would love to hear them.
Your buddy calls. He offers you a seat to float some OP rivers. He shows up at your house. He has both fly and gear rods in his boat. Do you turn down the invite because of your feelings on gear rods or go because gear rods are ok, just not on your boat?
The funny thing is that anytime someone come at you, you come back with how you have been doing it longer and harder than anyone else. I forgot your the man and legend. Anyone that wear a fucking large football ring everyday they fish and make sure to show it off in every photo is someone I will never understand.
Our salmon runs is starting to suck because washington, and california net boats fish out their waters and moved up the coast. Our board of fish is made up of 7 memebers and 5 have commercial ties. Sportsfisherman can win. Our fishery is declining just like your.
Everyone can read your last post and see your caught up with your self and your past. Hey man you should be most people haven't had those live experiences. But I don't give a flying fuck if you went to the fucking superbowl or were the president of the US. In my boat everyone is the same, I don't ask what they do or where they fish. We fish and have a blast doing it.
Numbers and clickers are for guys like you, I have never kept count of fish and never will. Size and numbers means nothing. Thats why the last 3 weeks I have been on the yakima, having fun and enjoying the scenes.
As for as guiding its not my first year gramps, I have 11 years of guiding and have flyfished every year of it. Good fisherman are always try and pushing the envolope. I might look young but I have the experience. You just started guiding and selling out a fishery that the real locals keep a sercet for years. Yeah thats right I heard about you trying to make a film of Hawaii. I have fish hawaii for years so before you start telling me to grow up and learn from you, check around with the the northwest rep ad shop owners and see who they call when the want to fish.
How many casting and flyshing demos have you done, Since high school I have work sportsman shows seminars and taught many people. Hey I was even asked to be in a video for STS magazine.
I am not a weekend warrior and neither are you so let end this dumb battle and grab a drink. Good luck with your company and all your fishing.
Jake
Now go grab your "goat" that is running all over the place and get him tied up again. And just like I said earlier, keep your shitty gear caught fish off of our WFF website. Talk all the shit you want, I laughed so hard I spit my beer all over myself tonight, but what you are really saying is that there are times you just aren't a good enough fly fisherman to get the job done and you bust out the gear. That's okay, in time those holes will be filled by experience and time on the water. In the meantime that centrepin will always be a great excuse for the simple fact that after all the "guiding" all the "sportsman expo demonstrations", all the tears, the sweat the split shot and glo bugs tossed in the tailouts behind the spawners that in reality there are still times that you have no fucking idea how to get hookups with the fly and this is your chickenshit, weak-assed, young man's save my manhood attempt at making yourself look okay. It's called insecurity young man, and all the shittalking in the world can't hide the fact you are simply sticking your bird chest out right now. I understand, been there myself. The Coach
PS A little secret for you Big Time: Guiding in Alaska and putting people on fish with gear in Alaska is not looked at in the fishing world as highly technical, or a test of one's abilities. We are not arrogant, we've already been there, done that got the t-shirt many years ago. Once again, I don't care how you hook fish if it's legal. I've fished every way i can think of, but the fly is the way I turned to a long time ago. Go down to Washington and put people on steelhead swinging the fly. There are a few guys who can do it and do it successfully. Hell, your neck of the woods is still thawing out aint it? Head on down the the state this site is named for and let's see how fucking good you are. Guiding in Alaska doesn't mean shit to anybody. That's where most guys start....... At age 19.
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