Pink salmon thought to be the winner in climate change roulette

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  1. Kent Lufkin

    Kent Lufkin Remember when you could remember everything?

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    CLO It's not the fly, you suck.

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    Hard to link that to climate change but it's a ok hypothesis. I think it's more about over harvesting the prized sockeye and that gives the lowly pink a leg up in the food chain. Give nature a benefit in one way or another and it will react and take time to regulate.

    Sockeye and pinks spawn in different areas of the river and there are 35-70 million sockeye forecast this 2014 run. Maybe try netting a couple million pounds less of sockeye and see what happens. Until then I will worry about more pressing fisheries issues.
     
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    stilly stalker Tuna sniffer

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    read this article and a few others. The idea that pinks are even outcompeting seabirds is hard for me....because seabirds flourished when there were FAR more salmon.
     
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  4. CLO

    CLO It's not the fly, you suck.

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    Exactly. If anything seabirds, would be eating the billions of pink smolts.
     
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    stilly stalker Tuna sniffer

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    as a scientist expected to produce peer reviewed experiments etc, I have a hard time with piss poor experimental design, half drawn conclusions etc.
    I have a very hard time with any of these "articles" when theres no data or method attached :(

    I would love to see some population graphs/ food density data etc etc at the bare minimum
    I guess most average americans cant really read graphs and extrapolate data though.
     
  6. CLO

    CLO It's not the fly, you suck.

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    This was a Canadian article but yeah. Also saying this was a half drawn conclusion is giving it way too much credit.
     
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    stilly stalker Tuna sniffer

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    oh, I saw Vancouver and thought Vancouver, Wa.

    It was linked to me this am on facebook. Didnt really look at the source beyond that
     
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    I wonder how they count that many fish. Do they have somebody at a window and saying 1,2,3,4, etc, etc. or is it just a wild ass guess
     
  9. CLO

    CLO It's not the fly, you suck.

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    They accurately count the fish that pass through dams, but I'm not sure anyone can explain how they make salmon ocean forecasts.
     
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    And spawning ground surveys and they back calculate
     
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    Jim Wallace Smells like low tide.

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    Dang! This appears to be just more evidence that the world as we once knew it is degrading. The pink plague spreads!
     
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    stilly stalker Tuna sniffer

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    right?! Who is the leader of the pink plague opposition these days?
     
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    Stonefish?
     
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    Can we genetically engineer them into 10-25# fish?
     
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