Pistoleros

Discussion in 'Cast & Blast' started by Salmo_g, Dec 30, 2013.

  1. freestoneangler

    freestoneangler Not to be confused with Freestone

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    After monkeying around trying to move my natural pattern location to the bulls-eye, I've come to the conclusion that hitting the dead center of the silhouette, and getting patterns you can cover with a .50 cent piece, is over-rated. I'm able to hit center mass with the .380, 9 and .44 single handed, at the closest and furthest distance the indoor range allows, with nary a miss... good enough for me.

    I have not seen that pie chart Josh, but it does seem to fit what some had suggested was cause for my low and right tendency. According to the folks at the local range, it's the most common problem for shooters of skill level.

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  2. Rick Todd

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    I'm new to handguns. I do find I do way better with my S&W .45 SA/DA in SA mode than my Ruger 9mm DA. Trigger pull is huge! BTW-I just joined Custer Gun Club and if anyone in the Whatcom Co area wants to shoot, I'll take you as a guest! Rick
     
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    Rick,

    Trigger pull is such a huge opportunity to pull right (for right hand dominant shooters). Apparently tightening the grip while pulling the trigger is what causes the "low and right" groupings. I wish I could go practice every day for a bit to try and get this sorted out.

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  4. Rick Todd

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    Salmo-I caught a utube video on practicing trigger pull. You mount a laser on your gun (I just bought one!) and with the laser on, practice dry firing your gun. The laser dot shouldn't move. I've been trying it, and I'm sure it will be a helpful practice. While double action is good for a carry pistol due to safety issues, I'm thinking of getting a single action 9 mm for target shooting. Also looking at a Browning Buckmark .22 for less expensive target practice. (BTW-found .22 ammo at Kesselrings in Burlington limit 2 500 count bricks) Rick
     
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    Many people have become fans of striker-fired handguns (Glock, S&W's M&P line, Springfield's XD/XDm, etc) because it's the same trigger pull every time. The trigger more resembles a heavy single action than it does a double action pull. Often the trigger can be lightened (and improved in other ways) with aftermarket parts, if desired.

    For carry, the trigger/guard should be covered. And if you want the gun consistently in the same spot, a holster of some kind makes sense anyway. IOW, don't feel like carrying has to dictate the action you'd prefer to use.
     
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    Real men carry "cocked and locked"....:D
     
  7. Josh

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    I've actually wanted to get up to Custer and check it out.
     
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    IF the shit hits the fan, one certainly may NOT have time to "rack & fire," just enough time to fire. An empty defense piece can become a deadly delay and doesn't even make a decent hammer . . .
     
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    There's very little chance you're going to instinctually exhibit all of the suggested behavior during a meth-head assault unless you spend an incredible amount of time training, so you might think about a few key essentials:

    1) No, you can't legally shoot somebody just because they're stealing your stuff..they have to be posing a credible and immediate threat to human safety.

    2) Concentrate on keeping that trigger finger in the index position at all times until you make a decision to shoot, and consider what's behind the intended target before you empty the magazine in their direction...because many of the rounds aren't going to hit the intended subject.

    3) Consider selecting a personal defense weapon that doesn't utilize a mechanical safety....such as a Glock. A fair number of police officers have failed to stop a threat because, in their panic, they completely forget to flip the safety off. Note: such safety-less weapons must reside in a holster designed to cover that trigger guard, and should never be free carried in a pocket.

    4) Get a fast opening, rapidly accessible, and secured gun safe..if that weapon isn't actually in its holster, and on your person, it needs to be in the safe...loaded, a round chambered, and ready. An amazing number of children are killed or severely injured via unsecured weapons...and it is not unusual for them to be the children of police officers who've grown complacent about gun safety.
     
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    Good point, but that's combat shooting I'm talking about, where there's no time to get off an aimed shot. I should have mentioned that straight off. We always trained with the same pistol, our .45's back then, and trained to the point where sights weren't used. This allowed us to get off the first round on target every shot, and target for us was betwixt the headlights, not center mass. There wasn't any need for a double tap once the first one arrived where you pointed, which allowed us to haul less ammo than the guys in the foxholes. We made up for that in grenades:eek:
     
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    Considering that the vast majority of righteous civilian self-defense shootings occur in the 4 to 10 foot range, sights don't mean a hell of a lot. Unless your assailant has a projectile weapon, you're not going to have a credible self-defense justification beyond about 20 feet (the range that the assailant can reach you in seconds with a baseball bat, a knife, or fists...which are considered potentially lethal and worthy of a decisive defense with a firearm). The average citizen, unlike LEO's, isn't going to be rolling up on somebody brandishing a weapon that justifies a distant shot necessitating use of sights.

    I'm not disagreeing with Alex, but merely commenting from the perspective of an old Marine, not a special ops type. Marines never bothered much with handguns, figuring they were the tools of officers and other pansies, and that the best weapons were old style AR's like the M14, the AK47, and mortars.:)
     
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    Love my 1911's for that very reason. The first round is just a safety click away.
     
  15. Jim Wallace

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    I don't own any real handguns. I recently picked up a Crossman CO2 6mm soft air pistol, and set up a practice range in my living room. Mainly picked up this piece so that I could fight off any encroaching cabin fever if I notice it creeping up on me.
    I'm standing roughly 7 yards from my target setup (inside a cardboard box, with layers of cardboard backing to catch the 6mm bbs). After reading Alex's comment about practicing without using the sights, I'm going to try that...I can get off 14 or 15 rounds as fast as i can squeeze 'em off. Its something to work on. I have 10,000 rounds of ammo and plenty of CO2 cartridges. I named my little soft-air pistol "CatNipper!";)