poaching?

Discussion in 'Saltwater' started by gt, Aug 3, 2008.

  1. ChrisW

    ChrisW AKA Beadhead

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    Hi gt

    I admire your tenacity for following up on and reporting game violations, but I must admit to a couple problems with this thread

    First your general tone seems to convey the hopelessness of the situation, which may in fact be the case, however as readers on the site experience your frustration with lack of response, they will be less likely to take the time and effort to call these violations in. I believe ALL game violations should be reported even if there is unlikely to be a response. At the very least, a report is made and WDFW knows there are violations occurring at the site. Then perhaps somebody with enforcement may decide to pay the site a visit someday. From my experience there is a good chance they could catch the same folks on a different occasion as most of these guys are repeat offenders.

    Second you seem to advocate cutting the lines on the pots instead of hauling them out. If you know a thing or two about crabbing you might know that derelict pots can kill hundreds of crabs over a year or longer. It is pretty unlikely that someone fishing out of season would have the required rot cord to allow crabs to escape in the event of trap loss. Besides is it really against the law to pull someone's illegal pots? I don't know, but I imagine its pretty unlikely that you would be prosecuted, as long as you release the crabs.

    Finally are you SURE that these pots are illegal? Tribal, commercial, recreational seasons are all subject to last minute change. Did you check for an update? Perhaps you did- just asking. Also biologists can set traps for research into soft shell status, etc, etc, etc

    Again I admire your tenacity for trying to chase this down...just not sure if a public rant does any of us any good.

    Cheers,
    CW




     
  2. Jake L

    Jake L New Member

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    I agree with your concerns, but in response to your question, a public rant can be very welcome in times of frustration:mad:. The writer and reader can both benefit, as one vents, the other often finds vindication in seeing that others often get pissed off for similar reasons. One may argue that this is all just emotional, that rants are for people who need hugs.

    But I would argue that the ventilation of these pent up negative emotions prevents more drastic actions. For example, if gt did not have a forum to release his anger, it is possible he could go off the deep end so to speak. He'd begin dressing like Clint Eastwood, or a Navy SEAL, or Hulk Hogan, or Chuck Norris, or even Bat Man. His new fashion would bolster his confidence in his law enforcement abilities. He would become "The Sound Enforcer!" (copyrighted to ME). He'd patrol Puget Sound and the surrounding region kicking butt and taking names of anyone who dared violate game laws. Criminals would shiver in their boots, knees knocking together anytime his name was spoken. Even legal sportsmen would have to watch their backs when doing anything of questionable ethics. Fish and Wildlife populations would soar back to the levels before their molestation by man. Invasive species such as spiny rays and asian plants would soon get word of the man who hunts them, and they'd pack up and run to Hell, where they belong, just to get away from The Sound Enforcer!

    Ok where was I, oh ya I'm totally against rants now. Changed my mind. We could use someone going of the deep end and becoming a fish and game superhero. :thumb:
     
  3. gt

    gt Active Member

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    chrisW, naw, i wouldn't mess with the traps. instead, i forwarded my concerns to my local state representative and asked his office to followup. they have already emailed that they have started that process as well as encouraging me, and everyone else, to continue reporting violations.

    it is just a frustrating process that has reappeared in other threads on this forum over the course of time. kind of like the tweaking which simpy goes on and on without resolution. i have no idea what enforcement is focused on these days, but poaching must about be on the bottom of their list of things to investigate.
     
  4. Ed Call

    Ed Call Mumbling Moderator Staff Member

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    I was signed up for an "Eyes in the Woods" course with WDFW and they just cancelled because an enforcement officer needs to be present and they did not have one available. Disappointing, all I wanted to do was try to make a difference. Anyone know of any "Eyes in the Woods" courses near you?
     
  5. ChrisW

    ChrisW AKA Beadhead

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    You might try passing your frustration on to the Puget Sound Partnership www.psp.wa.gov they have some degree of oversight on other agencies when it comes to protecting the Sound.
     
  6. hookedonthefly

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    I'll see what I can do to put you in touch with someone. It may take some time but we've had a couple EITW classes. We've established great relations with our two land-based WDFW officers in Whatcom County to the point that 8-10 of us have their cell numbers. The single biggest concern and potential problem we discussed was people not knowing the regs and calling in everything...kind of like crying wolf.

    The other greatest problem is that there's only two of 'em. The last time I saw Ryan it looked like he hadn't slept in a week. And this is the all-american looking tough dude. He was trapping problematic bears, covering an opener, on the salt helping, trying to cover +- 50 square miles of Whatcom County as well as helping in Skagit. This left the three forks of the Nooksack basically without coverage. My friend and I were asked to float the South Fork as there had been some report of poaching. We were glad we could help out.

    I was up remote on a small creek yesterday. Had the pleasure of running into a sheriff who had some kids (early 20's) parked. Since "they were less than truthful", he was gonna go check things out at the end of the road. The end of the road is about 30-45 minute drive each way. They weren't poaching but throwing beer cans. I told him I was glad at least that they hadn't busted my windows out like tweekers down South. Got his number. He said to call if that starts happening here. :D

    So, I guess the point of my story is that it takes some time to get to the right folks and establish relationships but once you do they are usually very responsive or at least as responsive as they can be. We just gotta get some more enforcement officers on the books.

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  7. gt

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    thanks jake, that was one of the funniest posts i have read in a very long time. :rofl::rofl:


    i want to emphasize, the state police enforcement person and the WDFW poacher line person were both respectfull and were aware of the regulations and the crab closure. their basic problem seemed to be no way to 'immediately', meaning that day, respond.

    my frustration stems from the fact that the traps continued to fish into the next couple of days without anyone seeming to have taken any action. there are THREE $100,000+ state owned boats moored at john wayne marina, literaly 10 minutes from where these traps are located, and not one of them has been moved in probably 5-6 months.

    sure, there are lots of issues facing enforcement folks, and not enough of them to go around. however, when a clear, apparent, violation is phoned in, it would seem that this would pop to the top of the 'to do' list.

    why that didn't happen is now in the hands of my elected representative.
     
  8. Ed Call

    Ed Call Mumbling Moderator Staff Member

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    Hooked on the fly, great response and thank you. I'll travel if feasible to get certified. I retired from an enforcement position and considered wildlife enforcement. I think that once known and trusted by the local enforcement team they will appreciate having me around. If there were more employment opportunities with WDFW in enforcement, or even with NOAA I'd be following that path. You can't beat the office they have to work in, although as frequently mentioned it is a very expansive territory to cover. Thanks again.
     
  9. hookedonthefly

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    Agreed!

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  10. Mr.E

    Mr.E He called me an Elitist ?? LOL ..what a moron

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    To bad we didn't have someone in office with the same balls as Sheriff Joe Arpaio (AZ). Create a Posse to help out. I know having the "Eye's in the Woods" program is similar but let's face it... It requires the limited resource of FNG. Now adopting a Posse would be like adding extra Wardens out there and intern can act as a representatives with conjunction with local PD.
    Pure volunteer program .
     
  11. Jake L

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    As a guy from AZ, I feel the need to voice my approval of Sheriff Joe. I'm also impressed you know about him. Is he somewhat well known outside our little desert state? But anyways, he has balls. He doesn't always do things the BEST way, but he certainly gets things done. His no nonsense attitude is great, and usually even his bad decisions are good enough. Go Joe.
     
  12. Mr.E

    Mr.E He called me an Elitist ?? LOL ..what a moron

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    I use to live out there.
     
  13. gt

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    so rep van dewege's office followed through and contacted the state police game enforcement person. we just got off the phone!

    so here is the rest of this story just to close this thread off:

    - game enforcement pulled the illegal pots on monday!
    - PNP treaty group decided to reopen the crab season for 1 day, thats the reason i saw other pots show up as they also have treaty rights in this area
    - WSP contacted tribal enforcement about this violation, no response, nada
    - elwha then decided to reopen the commercial season for an additional 4 days
    - pots could be 'ceremonial and subsistence' but they are not marked in any way to indicate who's on first


    so they did follow through but as you can see, confusion is the basic problem in terms of seasons, who sets them, when they occur and how anyone could possibly know what is transpiring at a specific point in time, totally fucked!

    so, now why don't each of you contact your representatives and demand that ceremonial and susbsistence crab pots be marked in a specific manner so everyone could tell just what is happenning. my email is already winging its way..............
     
  14. Daryle Holmstrom

    Daryle Holmstrom retiredfishak

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  15. gt

    gt Active Member

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    the whale poachers were actually fined:


    TWENTYBUCKS!


    and just think, people on this board are still spending their bucks at neah bay supporting a fishery which is raping the seas. at the end of the day, bucks talk, the rest is hot air. boycott neah as well as your local casino!