Politicized Science Is A Threat To Science

Discussion in 'Conservation' started by Klickrolf, Nov 2, 2016.

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  1. Salmo_g

    Salmo_g Well-Known Member

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    Looks like some serious kool aid swilling Klick. Have you so soon forgotten all the "science" that was sponsored and funded by the tobacco industry? Other industries are still doing the same thing, funding self-serving science. At least the science funded by government through universities and such operates under the pretense of pursuing the public interest.
     
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    It's tropical punch in my happy cup. Was trying to suggest a potentially useful option for funding independent science. We have technology today where a research plan could be fully described online and those with similar interests and/or expertise could act as peer review. I don't know anything about the tobacco industry or others doing the same thing but I doubt their funding could be supported via crowd funding online. So those arguments are fruitless, let them smoke their resources.

    There are serious problems with public funding of science as you all know, Sg chose the word "pretense" for a reason. There must be a reasonable way to support unambiguous science via contribution by choice. Maybe donations and scholarly input/peer review could be renumerated if a financial value could be applied or patented...

    Back to Fox News Election Headquarters and more tropical punch.:D
     
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    freestoneangler Not to be confused with Freestone

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    The IPCC went rogue early on... the thought of wielding that much power corrupted them absolutely.

    Pournelle’s Iron Law of Bureaucracy states that in any bureaucratic organization there will be two kinds of people: those who work to further the actual goals of the organization, and those who work for the organization itself. Examples in education would be teachers who work and sacrifice to teach children, vs. union representative who work to protect any teacher including the most incompetent. The Iron Law states that in all cases, the second type of person will always gain control of the organization, and will always write the rules under which the organization functions.
     
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    Alex MacDonald that's His Lordship, to you.....

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    According to Wikipedia, Spencer's a signatory to An Evangelical Declaration on Global Warming, promulgated by the so-called Cornwall Alliance, a group of conservative religious dudes, in response to the Evangelical Climate Initiative. Said Declaration states that "We believe Earth and its ecosystems—created by God’s intelligent design and infinite power and sustained by His faithful providence —are robust, resilient, self-regulating, and self-correcting, admirably suited for human flourishing, and displaying His glory. Earth’s climate system is no exception. Recent global warming is one of many natural cycles of warming and cooling in geologic history." Here's what Cornwall Alliance Advisory board member Wayne Grudem was quoted saying in reaction to the Evangelical Climate Initiative, "It does not seem likely to me that God would set up the world to work in such a way that human beings would eventually destroy the earth by doing such ordinary and morally good and necessary things as breathing, building a fire to cook or keep warm, burning fuel to travel, or using energy for a refrigerator to preserve food." So Klick, this is the philosophy that informs Spencer's views. Do you trust it? Because, like, God has never allowed humans to screw things up down here on Earth, right?

    The arguments Spencer makes in that piece are laughable. Just a few to highlight:

    "In fact, decades of research by people like Ed Calabrese has suggested that exposure to low levels of things which are considered toxic in large amounts actually strength the human body and make it more resilient — even exposure to radiation. You let your children get sick because it will strengthen their immune systems later in life. If you protected them from all illnesses, it could prove fatal later in life. [O MYKISS NOTE: PARTLY TRUE, BUT NO MENTION BY ROY OF THE EVEN MORE SIGNIFICANT IMPACT OF VACCINES ON THE REDUCTION OR ELIMINATION OF ONCE LETHAL DISEASE. IRONICALLY FOR AN ANTI-SCIENCE SCIENTIST LIKE ROY, VACCINES WERE DEVELOPED THROUGH THE SCIENTIFIC PROCESS OF ALL THINGS.]

    The situation in climate change is somewhat similar. It is assumed that any climate change is bad, as if climate never changed before, or as if there is some preferred climate state that keeps all forms of life in perpetual peace and harmony. [O MYKISS NOTE: ASSUMED BY WHOM? I'VE NEVER HEARD ANY SERIOUS PERSON STATE SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT.]

    But, if anything, some small amount of warming is probably beneficial to most forms of life on Earth, including humans. The belief that all human influence on the environment is bad is not scientific, but religious, and is held by most researchers in the Earth sciences. [O MYKISS NOTE: WHAT BELIEF? I'VE NEVER HEARD ANY SERIOUS PERSON STATE SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT. AND IRONIC COMING FROM A GUY WHOSE MAIN ARGUMENTS AGAINST AGW SEEMS TO BE THAT GOD WOULD NEVER ALLOW HUMANS TO SCREW THINGS UP THAT BADLY.]

    Nice try again, Klick.
     
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    Can I assume you disagree with the article and suggested solutions O. mykiss?